Joe Quirk is an American author originally from Westfield, New Jersey. His latest book is Seasteading: How Floating Nations Will Restore the Environment, Enrich the Poor, Cure the Sick, and Liberate Humanity from Politicians. Quirk is also a spokesperson for the non-profit Seasteading Institute.
Nathalie Mezza-Garcia is a complexity scientist and founder and CEO of Seaphia, a consulting firm for floating architecture projects. She is also the former Seavangelesse for Blue Frontiers and their Floating Island Project in French Polynesia. She recently launched the Journal of Special Jurisdictions offering a balanced analysis of ideas around new governance structures. In this episode, Nathalie explains how she came to study seasteading after thinking about human societies as complex systems and concluding that current governance systems are failing to do what they’re supposed to do. She explains that in order to improve the way decisions get made in complex human societies, we must change our perspective, and seasteading provides the flexibility to do that. Nathalie shares the lessons she learned from her experience as the international spokesperson for the Floating Island Project in French Polynesia. She talks about the importance of forming relationships with the local residents and policy makers. One of her guiding principles for Seaphia is to build strong relationships with local residents, institutions and governments.  She advises seasteaders to do thorough research of the partners who get involved in seasteading companies, just like dating someone before deciding to marry that person. Nathalie explains that it’s easy to find locations where it is technically possible to place a seastead platform, but the complicated part is finding a location where the local partners are enthusiastic about your project. Seaphia is a consulting service to do market testing for potential seastead projects. They determine how a seasteading business can get to a point that serves the local community as well as business investors. She recommends working with local governments and existing institutions, not working against them.  Recommendations: Nathalie said her favorite project in the U.S. is Alta Sea which focuses on business around floating technologies. She also has published the Journal of Special Jurisdictions with the Center for Competitive Governance.The Startup Societies Foundation held a virtual summit and are releasing videos from that summit on their YouTube channel You can contact Nathalie Mezza-Garcia at Please subscribe on Apple | Spotify | Stitcher | Pocket Casts | Android | Google | YouTube | RSS For feedback and questions, email
Grant Romundt is the CEO of Ocean Builders, the company that built the first affordable, single-family seastead off the coast of Thailand. You can follow the story of the couple, Chad and Nadia, who lived on the first seastead home, in our documentary series called The First Seasteaders. Ocean Builders is now building their new floating home design, the SeaPod, in Panama. This interview took place at the Anarchapulco conference. Grant talks about Freedom Ship, a project to build a mile-long ship. Ocean Builders is planning to re-open their Incubator once travel restrictions are lifted. You can sign up on their website. Grant also talks about Panama’s Friendly Nations VISA: “As a response to the growing popularity of Panama among expats and digital nomads, the Panamanian government launched the Panama-Friendly Nations Visa program in 2012 to expedite the immigration process leading to citizenship and attract foreign investment to the country.”- How To Get A Panama Friendly Nations Visa Grant says in this interview that he’s designing something that he wants to live in. Pictured above is a rendering of the luxurious bathroom in Ocean Builders' SeaPod. Contact Grant at Please subscribe on Apple | Spotify | Stitcher | Pocket Casts | Android | Google | YouTube | RSS For feedback and questions, email
Commander Dale Brown of Threat Management Centers in Detroit began training people on Detroit’s east side to protect their families and businesses from violent drug gangs in 1994. His organization specializes in nonviolent strategies and tactics designed to create a nonviolent outcome. This interview was recorded in February of 2020, before the death of George Floyd in police custody ignited protests around the nation. You can listen to Dale Brown comment on the culture of policing on the The Liam McCollum Show, “Ep. 23 Commander Dale Brown on His Private and Non-Violent Solution to Reduce Violent Crime” In this interview Dale Brown explains how his training system incorporates psychology, law, and tactics to create non-adversarial interactions to produce nonviolent outcomes. He has trained his private security teams, members of the public and police officers.  Our natural instincts are to use violence when we feel fear, so Dale teaches his clients to understand body language and psychology to overcome fear to de-escalate a situation. Brown applies experience managing security in private communities and Michigan marinas to explain how to identify threats to safety in a seasteading community. He recommends that we manage threats to safety and comfort (like fear of water and noise level expectations), and then create a community culture that embodies the overall objective of the community. He answers the common questions like, how to protect seasteads from pirates? How do you make sure each seastead home is as safe as possible? He describes how a seasteading community can create multiple levels of protection. Check out Detroit Management Center on YouTube, to watch police testimonials on using their methods to prevent injuring someone. Please subscribe on Apple | Spotify | Stitcher | Pocket Casts | Android | Google | YouTube | RSS For feedback and questions, email
Dr. Mary Ruwart is a research scientist, ethicist, and a libertarian author and activist. She has a Ph.D. in Biophysics and worked as a senior research scientist developing new therapies for a variety of diseases. She serves as Chair for Liberty International and Secretary of the Foundation for a Free Society. She is the author of Healing our World and Death by Regulation. Visit her website: Dr. Ruwart worked for the Upjohn Company, researching medicine and developing pharmaceutical drugs. Her book, Death by Regulation, explains how the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has harmed Americans by adding regulations to drug approval, though safety and effectiveness in drugs has not improved. She has calculated that the FDA has shaved five years off the lives of Americans. The cost of FDA approval rises every year, making it harder for drug companies to research new treatments. Dr. Ruwart explains why the marketplace was an effective system for eliminating drugs that were not effective before the FDA dramatically increased their influence in the 1960s. The FDA has shifted the medical paradigm from prevention to treatment, and away from more nutritional or holistic methods. We also discuss potential medical businesses for seasteads, for example, offering third-party testing for new drugs, medical tourism, and treatments that are approved in countries other than the United States, like adult stem-cell treatment. Dr. Ruwart also explains how the FDA prohibited the development of COVID-19 tests, delaying the response to the pandemic in the U.S. Watch an April 25, 2020 Webinar, Dr. Mary J Ruwart: Healthcare vs Pandemics, hosted by Students for Liberty. As an Amazon Associate The Seasteading Institute earns from qualifying purchases. This episode of the Seasteading Today podcast is sponsored by Atlantis Sea Colony. The purpose of Atlantis Sea Colony is to bring the undersea world to the masses, through hotels, habitats, private homes, and industrial and corporate facilities. A big thank you to Brendon Traxler and Adam Jewell of the Atlantis Sea Colony for supporting this podcast and for having me on their podcast, which is called Colonize the Ocean. You can listen to the Colonize the Ocean podcast on Spotify and YouTube. To learn more about Atlantis Sea Colony, visit If you would like to sponsor a future episode of the Seasteading Today podcast, visit: Please subscribe on Apple | Spotify | Stitcher | Pocket Casts | Android | Google | YouTube | RSS For feedback and questions, email
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Jun 5th, 1966
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