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Ryan Gray

Ryan is a former Flight Surgeon in the United States Air Force. Ryan is the publisher of MedicalSchoolHQ.net and OldPreMeds.org and the podcast host of several podcasts on the Meded Media network.
Recent episodes featuring Ryan Gray
347: An Immigrant on His Journey to Medical School and a Full Ride
Episode of
The Premed Years
Santiago is a first generation immigrant. He joins me to talk about being inspired by global health, doing a postbac, and leveling the playing field for applicants.
346: An Admissions Director on Putting Your Best Foot Forward
Episode of
The Premed Years
Session 346 Christian Essman is the Director of Admissions at Case Western Reserve University School of Medicine and podcaster. His podcast is called All Access: Med School Admissions. He joins me to talk about the admissions process, transparency, and more! Meanwhile, be sure to check all our other podcasts on Meded Media and get as many resources you need to help you along this premed path. And if you haven't yet, listen to All Access: Med School Admissions Podcast on iTunes, Spotify, and Stitcher. [01:55] The Medical School Admissions Christian describes his path to the medical school admissions as an evolution over time. He was premed at one point. Always been interested in healthcare, he worked in some emergency departments for a while.  He also got involved in an organization doing recovery and preservation of organs and issues with some transplant surgeons from Ohio state.  Living with his wife in Cleveland at that time, he got involved with Lifebanc doing professional education. Then he created an elective at Case Western's medical school to teach first and second year students about organ donation and transplantation. He did this along with the transplant surgeon from university hospitals. He has been working at the institution for a while now, teaching for a couple days a week.  The admissions office was undergoing some restructuring since the previous dean of 25 years was retiring. They then created the position of Director of Admissions and made the Dean for Admissions more of a part-time clinical position and part-time administrative. Christian has been working full-time for 14 years now as the Director of Admissions. [04:52] Saying No to Applicants Christian explains that there are very few slamdunk decisions in this position. And he admits it's tough having to make judgment calls. There's a lot of grey area. It's so hard because you can't just interview 6,000 people.  Somehow they hope that while they may not get an interview at their school, at least they could get an interview someplace else. But in the end, if it wasn't him making those decisions, it would be somebody else. All this being said, a lot of the decisions are not being made alone. They have several screening processes. It's not just one man or woman making decisions. It's usually a committee or team of people that make decisions on applicants. [06:40] Thoughts on Opt-Out Organ Donation System Some states are in that position where you get to opt out. Ohio is an opt-out state. For instance, when you have your driver's license renewed, you'd have to tell them you don't want to be an organ and tissue donor.  Some states have already passed this legislation. But it has been legislatively decided. In order to increase organ and tissue donors, it should be something people have to opt out of.  Having to make the decision for their loved ones at such a time is not always easy. Therefore, it would have been easier for the loved ones if this were the default. Christian is up for this, although he also understands there are people out there who think otherwise.  [10:20] Talking About School Cutoffs and Minimums At Case Western, they put out all their stats on their website for the entering class. They put ranges, not just the average or the median. This is important so people can see what the incoming class looks like. As to why schools are a bit hesitant about not talking about the minimums, Christian thinks this could be more of a perspective where they're sending out a message that they don't want your money.  On the other hand, you might miss good applicants because they missed some kind of metric cutoff. This is especially true for nontraditional students who bring a lot of interesting backgrounds and dynamics to a learning environment. From the students' perspective, the students are just looking at the MSAR and they think the median is the average. They're missing a large opportunity to do a lot more research into the schools. Second, they're missing out because it's not a full range.  If your goal is to get to medical school, then don't look at the school. Just go. But if your goal is to go to medical school and go to the top 20-25 medical school, Christian warns "buyer beware." [19:25] Is Research Necessary? Case Western is known as a research-intensive institution and this is how they get up on people's radar. They're the largest biomedical institute in the state of Ohio. Hence, there are a lot of opportunities for students who like research. This is not just in their medical school but in their university as a whole. If students who apply don't have research under their belt, they look for other else that the student has. Usually, the student that doesn't have research experience gets involved in-depth in some area. Or they could be a student-athlete and just doesn't have as many hours to do athletics, academics, and all the extracurriculars, including research. Moreover, they look at how they balance the class. Nobody who chooses to come to their school loves research. They know they have to do it and are interested in doing it. But there are some students who choose to come to the school because of the clinical opportunities. [22:07] Picking Their Students A pool of students is brought in for an interview over the course of months. And at that point, everybody's metrics are in the same range.  When you interview somebody and they have a 4.0 and an MCAT score that's through the roof, you would tend to be almost biased sometimes whether consciously or unconsciously. For this reason, a lot of schools are now blinding interviewers to that. At this point, it comes down to people's backgrounds and the things they're bringing to the table whether through their personality or experiences.  Once you get into the admission committee meetings, it's less so about their academics and how spectacular they are, but more so, how do they project themselves. They look at their presentation and how they interact with interviewers and other people on interview day. Then it comes down to whether they fit the institution and the curriculum. These are the nuanced things than just the numbers on the paper or screen they're reviewing. [25:05] How Their Qualified Applicants Fit Into Their School Christian explains that qualified applicants that fit into their institution usually have things in the application which they value.  A lot of curricula now are small group-based curricular models. So they look for people that like to collaborate with others. They don't expect everyone to have a lot of group case-based learning in their undergrad experiences as very few colleges offer that.  But you can glean from their application some opportunities where they had to interact and collaborate with others.  This could also be translated into an employment situation. People shouldn't just disqualify them just because it's not medically related. Hence, they try to tease out some of this stuff at the application level. Then on the interview level, they look at how the applicant presents themselves and responds to the questions. Find things in the curriculum that you're really interested in. For applicants from different geographies, apply broadly. But try to find that connection as well. [31:00] About the All Access: Med School Admissions Podcast This all began when Ian Drummond of the Undifferentiated Medical Student podcast came to him and introduced this idea of interviewing medical schools. It took a couple of years to get into a place in his life and time that he could finally do it. Meanwhile, Christian has been in the admissions for a while and has made some great connections and friendships from people across the country. They do things the same but they do things differently.  So he found this great opportunity to feature them on the podcast and talk about these different medical schools and how students can get in there. They go through the application process and what they look for in applicants. Basically, they cover curricular highlights, what's unique about their school or how it's set up. They discuss how students can get in, what the interview day is like, what people can expect once they show up on interview day and more details.  Then they wrap it up with what happens after acceptance and what else students need to know about their institution. Christian also recommends listening to different episodes and try to look for themes. And if it sounds like consistent advice then maybe you could stick with that.  It would be so great to get this transparency from the admissions departments of each of the schools. Especially that, a lot of medical schools do not have adequate premed advising, or some even don't have premed advising office at all. [40:00] How to Reach Out to Medical Schools Appropriately The AAMC has a strong set of resources for prospective students. Christian recommends starting with these. Then listen to podcasts like The Premed Years, which is consistent with other resources.  If you don't know where to reach out to or you don't have an advisor, call medical schools.  You need to understand though that it can be tough to get through to them as a lot of medical school admissions offices are small teams. Sometimes, there are only two people in the staff or as high to 6-7, compared to undergrad admissions that have an army of people. If you're writing an email, try to limit to only 1-2 questions. They may not have time to answer all your questions. So try to keep it to a brief introduction and stick to 1-2 questions.  Then if you get a response from somebody, it's appropriate to reply back and say thank you. Again if you haven't yet, listen to All Access: Med School Admissions Podcast on iTunes, Spotify, and Stitcher. [45:20] Final Words of Wisdom Only apply when you think you're putting your best foot forward. If you're a rising Senior, submit your applications now.  And if it just doesn't feel right and you feel you still need more shadowing or research experience, hold off. This process is far too long. It's a huge commitment – emotionally, financially, and psychologically.  Apply when you feel you can really put your best foot forward and this will give you the edge. A thin application is not going to get through. Take the time and apply a year afterwards if you need to. Finally, enjoy other things in your life because once you get on this train, it won’t stop. Links: Meded Media All Access: Med School Admissions Listen to All Access: Med School Admissions Podcast on iTunes, Spotify, and Stitcher. Lifebanc The Undifferentiated Medical Student Podcast with Ian Drummond
345: A Super Nontrad Talks About His Path To Medical School
Episode of
The Premed Years
Session 345 Robert is starting medical school at 44 years old. He dropped out of college the first time through due to other commitments. But he has now made it back to become a physician. He talks about his journey, deciding to pursue medicine at 40, getting married at 18, getting medically retired, and finally getting an acceptance at his top choice medical school. Meanwhile, be sure to listen to all our other podcasts on Meded Media. Also, check out the University of Colorado School of Medicine's Wilderness Medicine Program. Get a chance to go up in the mountains for a week and run around the woods. Help treat trauma patients and learn how to do wilderness medicine if this is something you're interested in. Get some shadowing experience and some EMS ride-along with tons of great experience. They also offer scholarships if you qualify.  Text WILDMED to 44222 to get a link to their course. Use the promo code MSHQ to save some money on the course. [01:30] Interest in Becoming a Physician Robert has always wanted to pursue a career in healthcare. This was influenced by seeing his grandmother who ran a skilled nursing facility. So he grew up around old people who needed care which he found very interesting. He felt like having a ton of grandparents. Being a pragmatist, he thought that being a doctor seemed so daunting for such being a long process. He was interested in the PA route and it wasn't until he turned 40 that he decided to commit to being a doctor. At 18, Robert got married and needed to work to support household so baseball got kicked to the backburner. He did finish college but he found it so difficult to balance school and work with 2-3 jobs at a time. He also tried to join the Air Force but he was told that he was medically unfit. When he was 16, he got hit by a drunk driver where he got serious injuries. He spent four years in outpatient therapy, trying to get full use of his left hand. But his hip injury was enough basis for the Air Force to make him unfit for duty. It was a double whammy for him being a fourth generation army.  The Army tried to recruit him again and they came back with the same finding that he was unfit for duty. But the recruiter asked him to see the doctor who did surgery on his hip and ask him to write a letter about him being capable.  Fortunately, the doctor was the former Chief of Orthopedics in the Navy. And he wrote a letter. The Army has a Delayed Entry Program (DEP), where they hold an introduction training once a month, teaching applicants military lingo and instilling a bit of military bearing. Then he got a call informing him that his medical waiver was overturned.  [Related episode: PA Turned MD Talks About Why He Made the Switch] [09:10] Scratching the Itch Robert was asked to take the test called the Defense Language Aptitude Battery (DLAB). It tested the capability of learning a foreign language, which he did well in. Then they offered him a job as a tri-lingual interrogator. But he wanted a medical job. At that time, the Army used to be the only service where you could actually pick your job. Robert signed up to be a medical laboratory technician. He then did his basic training and headed to Fort Sam. So he started out with his basic combat medic training and then he went on with his advanced individual training. The Army offered 62 weeks of initial entry training at Fort Sam, Houston. The training was so grueling that two-thirds of his class ended up being a re-class. One of the reasons he picked the medical lab technician route was because of the really high rate of students being able to get into PA school. It wasn't his yearning to be a PA. It was more of him thinking about the number of years you have to go through in medical school. But he decided to apply to medical school anyway. Robert saw how their rural doctor was doing and it seemed not interesting to him at that time. And he wasn't even told the differences between doctors and other healthcare professions except for the timeframe. Based on limited information, Robert simply thought that PA was the best route. [14:05] Love of the Army Growing up surrounded by ex-military men, Robert says he can never get enough of the army stuff. But during training, he ended up with a foot injury that sidelined him for a while. It got to a point where it didn't like he was going to fully recover from it. Moreover, there were practical limitations in that he has always planned on being a career service member. The medical standards for officers were higher. For him to pass the next rank, he was required to undergo leadership training.  But one of their requirements is you can't take a modified PT test, which is a type of physical exam where the test is modified based on your injury. So they end up giving you an alternate event. But Robert was not allowed to take a modified exam.  Instead, he went through the Medical Evaluation Board. But he realized that the process doesn't solely evaluate the injury question. Rather, they did a full systems evaluation.  Then he was found to have other more medical issues including immune issues. Then he got service-connected ratings for a number of autoimmune issues and got medically retired from the military. [Related episode: How Do I Transition from the Military to Being a Premed?] [20:23] The Interim At this time, Robert has become a stay-at-home parent, especially that he and his wife are raising two special needs kids. Technically, he was part of his wife's company where they do stuff related to tech. But at the end of the day, his main focus was getting his two kids across the finish line and going into college. In 2015, Robert came across a doctor who took the nontraditional route to medical school. His wife's OB/GYN was an architect prior to being a doctor.  Based on data, once you've done something for a few years, you're in the groove that you're going to be at but you're not going to be significantly better as time goes on. This became one of the hang-ups he had about medical school. Robert's advice to nontrads is that if you really want to do this, it's not impossible to do it without the support of your significant other. But it's so much easier when the person you're most involved with is 100% behind you. [Related episode: Do I Have Enough Time to be a Premed and a Mom?] [30:10] Going Back to College and Learning His Learning Style Having had solid three years of college under his belt, he thought he could just take the MCAT and get into medical school until realizing he had to take his prereqs. He was basically three years away from even starting medical school. After initially adjusting and figuring out his study style, Robert realized the memorization route was not going to work. There was too much information, plus three children to tend to – two of them with special needs, and taking care of the technical side of their business. He knew he had to figure out a way to learn efficiently. He learned about the idea of the memory palace and the memory tricks.  Also, he was commuting everyday which was taking up a big chunk of his time. So he put up an ad on Craigslist as to who was willing to read his textbooks and other notes. These were then recorded on Google Drive so he could listen to the audios while driving or walking the dog, etc. Several people responded and the person who reads for him has been working with him for four years now. Basically, he got rid of the old school mentality that he has grown with and learn to optimize his time.  [37:24] The Hardest Part of Being a Premed and the Recipe for His Success Robert thinks time management as a very challenging thing, especially for nontraditional students. Even traditional students still have to work and there's so much on their plate.  You have to balance academics with your work, extracurriculars, and family time. You have to make sure that you're still making food on the table. Plus, you have to prepare for the MCAT. Most importantly, you have to stay healthy in the whole process. Robert recommends that students should upgrade their time management skills as this is going to give the most mileage to the process. [Related episode: Time Management for a NASCAR Driving Medical Student] [41:20] The Importance of Having Mentors Robert credits his strong support system for his success. He is also grateful for having great mentors along the way who kept him in line. Your mentor doesn't have to be a doctor. It could be somebody at school, a professor, or your relative.  Have a good mentor, lean on them when you're unsure, and be respectful of their time. Robert also stresses the value of preparation. [44:55] Words of Wisdom To those in their 40s who are considering going back to medical school, Robert recommends doing a ruthless self-inventory. Check if this is financially feasible. Especially for a nontrad, this is something you really should consider.  Robert is lucky to have a rockstar wife who has run the company for several years and he has also started investing in his early years. Moreover, really look at where you are academically from the past. Robert applied out of Texas and had success with the DO schools. He believes in how critical having an upward trend is. For him, his upward trend was evident in the last 121 hours at school where he had straight A's including all of his prerequisites.  The last ten years of his academic record have been nothing but straight A's. He had a median MCAT score of 509. He applied to around 15 of the least competitive AMCAS schools.  [Related episode: Interview with a 56-Year-Old Medical Student] [50:38] Applying Broadly and Interviewing Robert submitted all his applications to the three services at the same time. with the exception of his GPA. In Texas, he had a 4.0 because of their academic forgiveness. He ended up with 15 invites. He went on 7-8 interviews and he had five acceptances. Interestingly, a lot of the schools he applied to didn't have secondaries. Robert also alluded to the fact that non-Texas schools tend to not look as favorably upon interviewing Texas residents who look like they might stay in Texas. This is because they know the cost of tuition in Texas is so low.  Robert thinks you wouldn't get as far and not apply broadly particularly with his age. He was interviewing at 44 years old. In fact, he was the oldest applicant in all the interviews he went on. Applying broadly was a strategy in the hope that he wanted to get as many interviews under his belt as he could. When you start out on the interview trail, no matter how many mock interviews you do or how well prepared you are, there's something different about sitting in the hot seat. By the end, you get much more relaxed and it would just feel like a conversation. Robert things you shouldn't apply to schools that you wouldn't want to go to just because that might be the only acceptance that you're getting.  His third interview was his top choice school out of all the seven interviews he did. So he didn't get the practice he wanted to get before his top choice school and he described it as being an awful interview. He considered it as the worst of all his interviews. Even worse, you don't get any feedback from it.  However, this was where he ended up matriculating. So Robert wanted to point out that people can tend to be the worst judge of themselves.  The school you go to doesn't have to be your top choice. And while applying to multiple schools just to get those interviews may be a bad tactic, applying to only one or two is not a smart idea either.  Robert thinks the mock interviews have been so helpful. He also found the book The Premed Playbook: Guide to the Medical School Interview to be very helpful. He would ask his buddies to ask him questions from the book. He would then answer them and got honest feedback from them. And this helped a lot.  [Related tool: Medical School Interview Question Generator] [1:03:30] What the Future Holds for Robert Robert's ideal practice would be a specialty that would lead him to a fellowship in Medical Toxicology and a job at the VA with academic ties. He has a particular interest in MedTox being a Gulf Era veteran. He has lots of buddies dealing with repercussions at their service in the Middle East. He is concerned with the impact of military presence in war areas, particularly in combat zones and even in the civilian populations they've left behind. These people are suffering from the effects of conflict. And so Robert is curious about the causative agent that results in those issues. He seeks to be able to address that. Medical toxicology is not a full-time specialty so he's aware that you've got to do something else with it. Most toxicologists are emergency medicine doctors by trade which he finds quite challenging for his age. Regardless, medicine, in general, is something that interests him. At this point, he is keeping his mind open to whatever specialty he might land on. [1:09:00] Final Thoughts: Out-of-State MD Schools Robert made some great points about not getting any interviews at out-of-state MD schools. Many out-of-state MD schools are pretty hesitant with interviewing Texas applicants. Especially if you have good stats, they're going to assume you're going to get into a Texas school.  Especially with the new traffic rules this year, medical schools are very careful with who they're accepting. They want to make sure they're not under or over accepting because the way schools are getting a list in seeing who's going where has changed in the 2018-2019 cycle.  Links: Moonwalking with Einstein by Joshua Foer The Premed Playbook: Guide to the Medical School Interview University of Colorado School of Medicine's Wilderness Medicine Program (promo code MSHQ)
344: A Conversation With @TheFemaleDoc About Being A Physician
Episode of
The Premed Years
Today Rosie joins me to discuss the difficult parts of her premed journey, mentorship, burnout, and why she chose to make the transition to academic medicine!
343: Mila's 17-year Long Journey to a Medical School Acceptance
Episode of
The Premed Years
Session 343 Mila is a premed turned nurse and back to premed. Today, she talks about her journey to medical school, battling with migraines, her personal health issue, and much more! After seven long years, she finally got into medical school. Meanwhile, please don't forget to check out all our other podcasts on Meded Media as you go through your own journey to medical school. [01:10] Interest in Medicine At a young age, Mila shadowed her aunt who's a cardiologist in Ukraine. She had some heart problems as well. Then her family moved to the U.S. when she was 15 years old. When she graduated from high school, she took International Relations as her major. Realizing politics wasn't for her, she went back to her love of helping people. From there, she considered becoming a doctor, resonating with what her aunt was doing. She then switched her major to nursing. Coming to the U.S., she worked throughout high school and college. She felt that by taking nursing, this would give her more exposure to the healthcare field. She thought this would help her decide what she really wanted to do. She also thought this would allow her to work right away. In Ukraine, students can go to medical school right away after high school. So it's obviously different here in the U.S. She thought nursing was a great choice for her. Knowing the path was going to be long and hard, she considered nursing as a plan B in some way. [04:40] Her Nursing to Premed Journey When she realized she needed to switch majors, she ended up in undergrad for 5 years. She didn't go to any counselor. After graduation in 2007, she started working and went through a 6-month ICU orientation. But it wasn't until 2012 that she began her premed journey since she had some health issues on the way that prompted the need for surgery. While working in the ICU, she felt a bit overwhelmed with so much learning to do that she had to wait. After a year into the ICU experience, she felt she was ready for premed. But she got diagnosed with Schwannoma. She underwent cervical surgery and she ended up with a lot of pains. This pushed her journey back to a few years. She was in so much pain that she didn't know how to start school or even think about medical school. She worked with a neurologist to help her figure out a pain management plan. At the same time, she thought she just had to live with the pain throughout her life. Basically, she suffered from migraines for three years through premed. Eventually, the migraine got cured through following a vegan diet. Even while struggling with her migraine episodes, Mila still wanted to become a doctor. She did consider going down the nurse practitioner route. But after working in the ICU with physicians and nurse practitioners, she just knew medicine was for her. With her friends pushing her into being a nurse practitioner, this only pushed her interest further away. Nursing wasn't for her. [11:30] Taking the MCAT Twice Mila took the MCAT in 2014, 2015, and 2018. The first time she took it, she was struggling with it as she was still dealing with her migraines. This made studying so challenging for her. She even recalls having migraine while doing the actual test. The second time she took it, there was only a slight improvement. This became an eye opener for her, which pushed her to really get her health together. She had to fix herself first before she can apply to medical school. Her actually neurologist recommended she changed her diet. Mila's experience in the ICU helped her balance her life outside of work. She was able to take on multiple things. She also joined the Premed Hangout Group on Facebook. She signed up but didn't really use it as much as she didn't have much time. Eventually, she realized the group was very helpful. More importantly, she got true support from her husband going through all this. Mila admits getting through moments of depression, feeling like her journey would never be over. It seemed like everyday was the same thing over and over again. She didn't feel like she was going anywhere. Still not getting the MCAT score she wanted, she was able to figure out what had gone wrong. She didn't take 1-2 days off from studying. This made her even more anxious. She also felt she wasn't ready to take the old MCAT at that time. Plus, getting a low score back only made things worse for her. Mila didn't sleep the night before the exam. She basically did everything she could to help her sleep but to no avail. Her anxiety was caused by the fact that she didn't do well on the other two exams. Plus, she already sent out an application to one of the schools. [18:30] Nursing to Premed to Master's In nursing, they study about diseases and pathology and anatomy. She didn't have to take biochemistry. When she went through the premed classes, things were different. Although she has always loved the sciences, she just had to remind herself everyday that one day it will pay off. Additionally, most of her premed tuition got paid for by the hospital so this helped her a lot. So transitioning from nursing to premed was not as difficult. While doing a full-time Master's program in biomedical sciences, she also began sending out applications. The school where she was doing her Master's is an osteopathic school and she was hoping they'd just overlook her MCAT score. In total, she sent out around 20 applications. She was settled on retaking the MCAT but with all the course load plus the secondaries she had to do, she got so overwhelmed. There wasn't enough time for her to study for the MCAT. But she didn't want to take the MCAT to have her score improved by one or two points. So she ended up not taking it and canceled it (and she got an interview at that time anyway). Mila started her Master's ten years after graduating from her bachelor's. Her combined GPA was at 3.5 while her science GPA was 3.25. While studying and working full-time, she didn't do well in a couple of classes so she decided to take up a Master's and applied to medical schools with her old MCAT school. But the admissions director of the school telling her that she wasn't going to get into any medical school with her MCAT score and GPA only pushed her more to do better. At that point, she doubted herself even more. [25:10] The Interview Process and Acceptance When she got the news that she was getting an interview, she was just ecstatic. She even had to make sure her name was right as she never really thought she'd be given an interview. In preparing for the interview, Mila read The Premed Handbook: Guide to the Medical School Interview, which she read from front to back. She also researched the school and looked at their list of interview questions. That being said, she was still very nervous. Interview day came and she felt the school had a relaxing environment. She was also able to establish relationships before her interview so this put her at ease a bit. The first question she got was why she got a C in pharmacology during her nursing course. She just froze! But she was able to explain it well. She showed them how she was able to change her study habits and how this reflected on her grades, showing an upward trend. Overall, it was a friendly conversation. After the interview, she literally cried as she still kept on doubting herself. A week later, she got called by the dean letting her know she got in. It was the happiest day of her life! [34:15] Transitioning to Medical School Her nursing colleagues were happy for her. Although she felt there were some of them who felt betrayed by her for going down the medicine route. Regardless, Mila is so excited for her journey. She knows it's going to be definitely hard. But she understands that and she knows what things she needs to prioritize. She also knows self-care is just as important so she doesn't get burned out. Mila recommends to other premeds out there that if she got in, then you can also get in. If this is what you truly want, then go for it. It doesn't matter what grades or MCAT score you have, everything can be improved. It's what's in your heart that really matters. Mila also points out that surrounding yourself with people who truly support you is very important. She recommends joining the Premed Hangout Group so you too can get inspired but other people's stories. Lastly, do not put a timeline on where you're supposed to be in medical school. Just take things one day at a time. Again, self-care is important. Don't just focus 100% on school. Have a life. Have a healthy life. Eventually, it will all work out. Just give life a chance to take you there. Links: Meded Media Facebook Premed Hangout The Premed Handbook: Guide to the Medical School Interview
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