Two years ago in a superlative award post I wrote for the year 2016, I wrote how I thought Michael Ian Black was a better interviewer than Terry Gross. I mean, Gross is truly the G.O.A.T. when it comes to interviewing, but I really believe Black is a phenomenal inquirer in his own right. And in this interview, I found out Gross agrees with me! My favorite parts of this chat with the recent This is Us guest star (radio and podcasting is so trendy these days) were when Black interrogated Gross about why people think she's a lesbian and what she thinks about that, and when he asked her why Fresh Air plays so much jazz. This is why I don't write my end of the year lists until December!