Some people believe that they are born leaders. Perhaps, that may be so. However, true leadership is cultivated through education, experience, perseverance and more. In the fire service, there are many who believe they should be leaders, some for no other reason than they simply want it or believe they deserve it because are the loudest in the firehouse or tell the best jokes! Yet, for the most part the fire service looks to create its leaders. The question is, "How well does it do so?" Chief (ret.) Daniel Jones, former Chief of Chapel Hill Fire Dept. in NC, answers this very question. And he doesn't pull any punches! With over 43 years in fire and EMS services, Chief Jones has seen our fire service evolve in many ways over the years. Some have been groundbreaking improvements. Others - not so much! If you listen to no more than Chief Jones' bio, you will understand that this chief knows what leadership is about; what it takes to attain that level and what the fire service is NOT doing to cultivate real leaders for tomorrow's fire service. Join us for this very educational and telling episode of "5-Alarm Task Force."