Shane Claiborne...what a gem. Shane has written a number of incredible books including The Irresistible Revolution and Jesus for President, and we got the opportunity to chat with him about a whole bunch of things. The cult (and possible heresy) of Christian nationalism, trying to embody the Sermon on the Mount as an American, the death penalty, and a number of other things. Shane is a delight and has such a knack for centering every topic of every conversation back to Jesus.

The beer we drank on this episode was Bell's Brewery Imperial Rye Barrel Aged Ale supplied by the wonderful people at Story Hill BKC.

The beverage tasting is at 0:42. To skip to the main segment, go to 4:39.

You can find the transcript for this episode here.

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