The Ringer's Ben Lindbergh and Jason Concepcion talk to Compete's Eric Van Allen about Nintendo's surprising new esports acumen with 'Splatoon 2,' 'Arms,' and 'Pokkén Tournament' (2:07), esports franchising and the future of competitive 'Overwatch' and 'League of Legends' (4:33), the difficulty of producing a comprehensible esports broadcast (9:09), the high ceiling of 'Rocket League' (13:27), esports on college campuses (16:50), and esports in VR (20:00). Then they bring on Richard Knol, the lone developer of planet-size sailing simulator 'Sailaway' (24:30), to explain how he accurately modeled Earth's oceans with real-time (26:19), real-world weather (28:10), how he's trying to satisfy sailing experts without making his sim inaccessible (36:05), and why water is such a challenge for game-makers (33:34).Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices