This week, Michael Lillis joined Jarlath to discuss his very unusual journey from diplomat to aviation giant. Together they examine how he left the comfort of the life of a UN Ambassador in Geneva for the business of leasing planes.

Michael explains the very Irish reason at the heart of Tony Ryan's scepticism over his ability to work for him (44:00), what he believes can be the secret of winning any negotiation (49:00). We also get his thoughts on the future of the EU post-Brexit (www.patreon.com/irishmanabroad. You will also gain access to the entire back-catalogue of almost 250 Irishman Abroad episodes that are not available on iTunes.

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