Aram and Kelly talk with animator extraordinaire Howie Shia and master puppeteer Anne Koizuimi in an attempt to answer the question: "what is an animation?” This episode includes Howie Shia's live commentary of MARCO’S ORIENTAL NOODLES (https://youtu.be/IobYgrLpCX8). The second part of this conversation, which includes Anne Koizumi's live commentary of IN THE SHADOW OF THE PINES (https://youtu.be/nI85ahkSmSA), will be available next week. Both of their works can be found on YouTube and on CBC Gem.

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This episode uses the following multimedia samples and sources:

• AGO Creative Minds: Art and Social Justice (LINK)
• MARCO'S ORIENTAL NOODLES (2017). Dir. Howie Shia
• “Say Good night”, Joakim Karud
• “Jar Hut”, Morusque
• "Slowly", Smith the Mister

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