Phil is an old friend who has a knack with teens and someone I greatly admire. I planned this episode to be about the teens he works with, but Phil quickly turned the conversation to parenting, and I think he was right. He shines a spotlight on what we can do better as parents.

We also talk a little about digital discipleship and how his congregation in Gainesville may use tools such as Zoom after the pandemic is a memory. I think it's fair to say Phil is more skeptical of the digital tools, even though he is an important advocate for tools like social media and smartphones.

I've always thought of Phil as a hurricane. He is very intense, but with a very calm and collected core. You can see what he's doing at his congregation at the Glen Springs website. 

Just so you know, this conversation was a little over an hour long, and I was able to get it down to about 35 minutes. I'm thrilled for you to meet Phil.

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