I met Ruby at the NHS Leadership Academy in Leeds where we both work on various programmes. Ruby is a talent and leadership developer an executive coach, facilitator speaker and pracademic - practitioner and an academic!

We come from different generations, different backgrounds, different cultures, and different cities. In this podcast we explore what has shaped us and what continues to shape us in our leadership practice.

We talk about doing and being, collusion, Born to Run, race, gender and what growing up taught us. We also talk about social mobility, straddling two worlds and the pain that can involve...

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