Darren works with health supplement and information publishers to improve front end conversions and increase customer value through direct response driven funnels. Darren & Tony discuss the fact that there is always a spot on the bench, and they also dive into what it means to "put on the mask". They get into the importance of having a process, and of believing in yourself as well.

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You can find Darren at https://darrenhanser.com. Connect With Tony at www.tonygrebmeier.com.

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