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Episode from the podcastBetween Us: A Psychotherapy Podcast

Episode 38: The Empirical Wears No Clothes

Released Wednesday, 12th May 2021
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Dr. Jonathan Shedler is dissatisfied. As both a researcher and a practitioner, he is frustrated with the misinformation that permeates the counseling field, much of it promulgated by an academia with little clinical experience. His contrarian voice is best known for his deconstruction of so-called “evidence-based therapy,” its research methods, and his staunch defense of psychodynamic psychotherapy. Since a seminal paper, a decade ago, he has separated himself from the psychological establishment, to educate everyday clinicians and the lay public on the tenets of psychoanalysis, the importance of the working alliance, and how the therapeutic relationship doesn’t require an instruction manual in order to transform lives.

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Produced by John Totten and Mason Neely
Music by Mason Neely
Research Assistant: Rose Bergdoll
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