Four days before her tenure with the Milwaukee Health Department concluded, Antoine and Kennita spoke with Commissioner Jeanette Kowalik and her chief of staff Lilliann Paine. They reflect on her time in Milwaukee (9:00), Lovecraft country and pioneerism (22:51), her new national role in DC (25:20), and the power of the arts (29:37).

Black Imagination names this next round of episodes "The Trust Black Women Tour," so sit back, listen, and enjoy hearing from powerful Black women!

Intro/Outro music: “Song of Freedom” by Shonn Hinton https://soundcloud.com/shonnhinton/song-of-freedom