Did you know that the author of The Education of Little Tree and The Outlaw Josey Wales was actually Asa Carter—a white nationalist who sent members of the KKK to attack Nat King Cole on stage? He was a man so racist that George Wallace cut him loose, so Carter changed his name, lied about his past, and became a best-selling author before his own son punched him to death. Jamie and Bambi go back to segregation-era Alabama to talk about a uniquely terrible person.

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