Baroness Stowell of the Charity Commission joins Christopher Hope to talk about why she sees no excuse for excessive pay to charity bosses and why being on the registered charity list should be a "badge of honour". Plus she reveals that the commission will be questioning the National Trust over its controversial review into the links between its properties with the British empire and slavery. 

Also on the podcast: William Wragg MP on why he's clashed with the government when it comes to lockdown restrictions in Greater Manchester, but why he won't be declaring the Mayor Andy Burnham "King of the North" just yet, and Mark Bridgeman of the Country, Land and Business Association on his fears for the lamb industry post-Brexit.

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