Payton Owens came to the fire service, left, grew an impressive beard, and then came back again. When he left the department, he had some pretty serious stuff going on in his personal life, but he freely admits: he had become pretty disgruntled with the job.

Payton got gruntled and came back. His reasons for returning and his perspective are a large part of this episode, but we also discuss “easy decisions” and what part trust plays in decisions that don’t go your way. We pressure Payton to admit that he’s an informal leader and debate what kind of impact the informal leader has on those around them. When he admits a mistake he made managing the gym he owned, the discussion reveals how running a gym and a fire department aren’t that different at times.