Was the fifth season of Supernatural its best ever? Quite possibly. Join Sara and Tanya as they discuss the premiere, along with the episodes that missed the mark. (Seriously, show, why did Ellen and Jo have to die? And why'd they have to go like that?)

They also discuss the great new characters we meet — Crowley! Lucifer! Jody Mills! Becky! New Meg! — and debate how well the show handles fandom, and female fandom specifically. Also, Sara geeks out over the Neil Gaiman/Good Omens overtones, and Tanya gives a shout out to the Geek 101 podcast.

Give it a listen, then move right to the next episode for the end of the conversation about SPN S5! And if you're curious, you can find out more about Kings of Con here.