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The older generation gives us so

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much guidance wisdom that I

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don't know where we'd be without them. They

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teach us the of the world and give

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us insights. That would take us to

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figure out on her own. The internet

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doesn't have an older

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generation. We're still in the first

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generation of users. It's only been thirty

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years LOL brought millions of people

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online for the first time and ohaio.

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The internet has changed since

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i fear that when there's no

0:30

older generation to guide the younger

0:32

generation on how to be safe online

0:34

there's a lot of kids who will learn

0:37

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i was eighteen i screwed around so much

0:41

on the internet the i swear i got a new virus

0:43

on my family computer every week there

0:46

was no one around to show me why

0:48

that happened or how to fix it

0:51

the grammar and dad barely knew how to turn it

0:53

on much less handle these kind of problems

0:56

the schools weren't teaching computers yet

0:58

and when they finally did they taught basic

1:00

things like how to type or used some sort

1:02

of application nowhere

1:04

in the curriculum was anything about the dangers

1:07

of downloading software shopping

1:09

online are going to chat rooms

1:11

that kind of stuff this only taught

1:13

by family my case

1:16

by nobody in fact

1:18

the older generation often relies

1:21

on the newer generation to teach them

1:23

about computers so many

1:25

times i've seen parents asked their

1:27

kids to set up the new computer

1:29

or show them how to use social media

1:32

the teaching parents the dangers

1:34

of social media there's like kids

1:37

the parents street smarts that's

1:40

the world where in because it's so new

1:42

what will the internet look like and twenty

1:44

sixty there will be better

1:46

educated users users who

1:49

grew up with parents who have seen the

1:51

darker side of the internet and can

1:53

warn them about it and show them the dangers

1:56

that , is not here yet worse

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I'll tell you right now, this episode.

4:00

the that's more of

4:02

a tour of what's going on underground

4:05

groups groups setterholm

4:07

the hackers scammers and

4:09

the oh

4:13

oh what's

4:15

, man man

4:18

much do it the other a name that

4:20

i should refer to you as when i'm talking about

4:22

you on is absurd is only true

4:26

i don't know they were not by that sounds

4:28

like and okay

4:33

the i want

4:36

or did call to use it on apart

4:38

than okay

4:41

it is recording

4:45

so the

4:48

glue did , want like the whole

4:50

story ah or

4:53

it's so or sort of like

4:56

mr tina like robots tina only

4:58

by robots and only a

5:01

phone as you can get discounted roadblocks okay

5:03

sy already on last rob lacks is

5:05

just outside of my peripheral view

5:07

and i don't really get it so i

5:09

need really pause here for a moment do some research

5:11

and i'll be right back oh okay

5:14

so first of all roadblocks as okay video game

5:16

but it's more than that it's game videogame

5:19

platform which gives you the tools to

5:21

make your own video game and if make build

5:23

something cool others might want a complaint to

5:26

a however there's this thing called row bucks

5:28

it's the this game currency of roadblocks

5:32

and some the roadblock games

5:34

require you to pay roll back in

5:36

order to players don't have the threats

5:39

of her

5:40

i think that's one thing to keep in mind

5:42

is that little kids the

5:45

currency and they're going to do

5:47

anything for to have the physical money forced

5:49

into their council wants the money to time you buy

5:51

it was real cash

5:53

yes you bought you can only buy it was real gosh

5:55

oh you can't earn it

5:58

no it's not in atlanta and him or animal so

6:00

the kids wanted and they can pay for their

6:03

kids and parents don't want to pay for the game will have

6:05

time to , go to these websites

6:07

where they can just complete surveys do as

6:11

as them again robot sort of

6:13

already i'm saying

6:15

for abuse here so there's real

6:17

money going in and real money

6:19

coming out of roadblocks because

6:21

if you managed to create a game that people with

6:24

pay to play you can get money

6:26

as the game creator so

6:28

if you can someone will get people to play your game whether

6:30

legitimately or not you

6:32

get paid but on the other side

6:34

is how people are getting roebuck's

6:37

as you said kids don't have money so

6:39

they go to these web sites and they sit there and sell

6:41

out surveys and watch ads to

6:43

get roebuck's and there's

6:46

make money from their cliques and pay a

6:48

percentage to the kids that are clicking the links

6:51

yeah as executive order wanted to see them scams

6:53

to be honest yeah and not all these sites be out

6:55

either so you're kind of actually get

6:57

roebuck's from doing all this work and you

6:59

know as a thirteen year old really wants some roebuck's

7:02

and season often to get some free ones they're

7:04

gonna click a link install some software

7:07

a sign up for something and give their email and phone

7:09

number jews friends had set

7:11

up one of the is it was running google

7:13

ads to make it easier for kids to find a server

7:15

and come on by and click on the the

7:18

earn roebuck's

7:20

modi would say so it was my settlers

7:22

depicted for like and

7:24

on for him

7:27

mcgee a thousand it goes not innocent

7:29

muslims in kills like other call

7:31

them everyday and , very

7:33

cool to see like i'm he's my eighty

7:35

like fourteen fifteen fifteen

7:37

doing this every single day suddenly

7:40

the game wasn't to blame roadblocks

7:43

blame to commodities and monetize

7:46

the kids who were willing to sit and

7:48

watch ads to get role bucks

7:50

and like role bucks that's just a friend

7:53

you can imagine all the tactics to game

7:55

the backend such as cloning a popular

7:57

roadblocks game and then somehow attacking

8:00

original to make it go down so that everyone

8:02

flax to yours because yours now

8:04

you're getting paid roebuck's kind

8:06

of black had strategies that are talked about

8:08

on hacker forums that discuss this

8:11

which is where do and his friend were hanging

8:13

out go to new aged thirty

8:15

dollars or thirty dollars friend both

8:18

north and like okay and making this

8:20

much are you know what was the

8:22

look around on the forums to see what other people

8:24

are doing and that's when they learn about vanilla

8:27

gift cards these are gift cards

8:29

that you might receive well done at

8:31

work for as a presence of some kind

8:34

it's a visa gift card that you can use

8:36

anywhere that accepts visa cards and

8:38

if you have one you might be curious how much

8:40

money is on it people need to check their

8:42

just to the bone so they will go are

8:46

they don't get a lot so what his friends

8:48

did was set up like

8:50

the piece of vanilla gift card sites

8:53

and it had a little form i

8:55

enter your car in order to check

8:57

your bag

8:58

the court on information they have an automated

9:00

trucker detective on according

9:03

and then they sell be card with the cash

9:05

out through various methods like g

9:08

to way or well mine's

9:10

about called

9:12

steele's anyone's gift card who

9:14

enters it in but of course nobody

9:16

would go to this page since it's unknown

9:18

and if you do a google search for vanilla

9:20

gift card balance check you get the

9:22

official visas page as the first link however

9:26

, a way to get your site to almost

9:28

instantly show up above the first search

9:30

results and it only costs one or two bucks

9:32

per click that's by using google

9:34

ads druze friends would spend

9:36

tons of money tons of ads to get

9:38

there manila gift card

9:40

balance and checker to show up

9:43

as the first link when you google

9:45

for it to know that it was going

9:47

to

9:48

or least they're not trained to notice that a quick the

9:50

vs on the press on the are sufficient

9:54

onto their card details see their balance

9:56

and before they can spend it's can card is

9:58

emptied by druze

10:01

of course jews friends aren't the only ones

10:03

feeling cards this way there's a whole group

10:05

of people who have made dozens of web sites

10:07

for all the various gift cards to try

10:09

to get anyone who's checking the gift card balance

10:12

to click the link the

10:14

most of the i've done this i've , involved

10:16

in this one for the longest i've ever been involved

10:18

in anything for yeah it really disappoints me the

10:20

most seven i've been to participate

10:22

or this have been a spectator

10:25

, bad day or

10:29

years now is like everyone

10:31

now is i everyone a patriot yeah

10:34

to hear could no longer stand

10:36

by and watch his friends make thousands of

10:38

dollars from a little bit of work he

10:41

learned how to clone a website which is really easy

10:43

and set up his own phishing sites and you started

10:45

running google ads himself to try to get people

10:47

to give him cards which is

10:50

horrible

10:54

and it totally sucks to have someone steal

10:56

your card in this way but

10:58

why are people answering their gift

11:00

card details on details random side come

11:03

on so

11:06

drew is running the scam for while and it's giving

11:09

him some extra money but he had a gambling

11:11

problem anytime he had access

11:14

card the go online and try to double

11:16

or triple or quadruple it that

11:19

a lot of people in this community have gambling problems

11:22

so even though he was making some money

11:24

as a teenager it was gone

11:26

like immediately and so he starts looking

11:28

what else he can get involved with so he can make

11:30

more money that's , he came across a

11:32

forum called oh gee users

11:36

this , forum where you can buy and

11:38

sell social media accounts instagram

11:41

accounts snapshot accounts kick

11:43

skype username it noted

11:45

that put other accounts to like pro blocks

11:47

accounts another video game a chance he

11:50

was one of the early wants to join oj users

11:53

some sort of a loser

11:56

and for those know this is my his

11:58

promos some

12:01

really early of honor this form or look reputable

12:04

is lisa modern forms modern

12:07

boehner and

12:09

vouchers and only been there been there you

12:11

can accumulate anyone

12:14

so basically i'm on a form and us or

12:16

manually may he's heard him center's bad like

12:18

i'm ignorant and , have brains

12:21

on kick a cell is people like

12:23

any particular because i talk to their rosters

12:25

they will call so the people who were already

12:28

on odie users beforehand were

12:30

making some pretty good sales for instance

12:32

if you have a short catching username on

12:34

twitter a cause for more money and i've

12:36

talked about ot users in the past and

12:38

other episodes and how horrible and can be

12:41

do with seeing how people were making money selling

12:43

cars so he just decided to go on

12:45

take it and find some clever sounding

12:47

user names that weren't registered yet and

12:49

just to register them and then try to eighteen

12:52

dollars each for his listings

12:54

weren't selling but the other users on

12:56

the forum saw what he was trying to do

12:59

any was trying real hard to make money and

13:01

they wanted make sort of drama bone drama

13:03

we started buying now

13:05

creating a new user and kick and trying to

13:07

sell dunno it's not illegal

13:10

it's similar to buying it and

13:12

trying to sell it

13:14

what what's up the of is is gonna turn extreme

13:16

for off it can be attributed

13:18

minutes is going to be miserable than on our say

13:21

oh it starts off producing seems

13:23

like a can mimic like got

13:25

any know i gotta i gotta earn

13:27

about i gotta be no the court for my birthday

13:29

present swift the money the has

13:31

he goes on odie users to try to find

13:34

some something that he hoped for

13:36

our

13:38

and you find a really good user name for

13:40

price that was pretty low

13:43

this trying to quit sword because they needed the

13:45

money instantly and

13:48

noble or that is broke for ,

13:51

me what i'm bored of people have nice isn't it and

13:53

they go broke nestled username to get some money

13:55

back several how can there

13:57

to sort of disorder really as i saw two hundred to

13:59

me and at

14:01

is

14:03

the lot of user names have the at symbol

14:05

in front of them so they just certain the

14:07

to add on these forums i saw some

14:09

for like three hundred

14:11

no no me on to the doors and it it

14:13

i'm , little forty nine of

14:16

course the

14:17

is once you get one taste

14:19

of the potential you get

14:21

hooked it's like blood to a sack

14:24

and so he goes deep the

14:26

users trying to snipe more

14:29

sell them for higher and along the way

14:31

he learns more about

14:33

there's works or oh

14:37

it was it was costs of lots of

14:39

chocolate not be some something it's

14:42

interview take any confusion for money goes

14:44

to another but with permission to

14:46

do this in an old my question does people can manually

14:49

take the comp of reclaim it what he's saying

14:51

is suppose the account you want to

14:53

oh and if you buy it there's a chance the account

14:55

holder can contact like instagram

14:58

support or whatever and recover their account so

15:00

what a lot of people do i know to users as

15:02

as soon as the by a stolen user names they

15:04

changed the user name to something else this

15:07

makes it so nobody has

15:08

now and you can just register a new account

15:11

with that username so you can abandon

15:13

the account you just bought because of somebody recovers

15:15

it's and gets or old account back it'll

15:17

have a different user name and a won't be the same

15:20

as what they used to have but here's

15:22

the problems every one every one users

15:24

sees when someone buys a stolen user

15:26

names and they know you're gonna change the

15:28

user name the a new account with

15:30

that username

15:31

so what up to is still try to snipe

15:34

that account from you by constantly

15:36

trying to create a new use that name

15:39

hoping that when you change it to get it before

15:41

to make a new when there's an internal

15:45

for a sale happens on owed user

15:47

some people lose their account right after they

15:49

bought it would only because

15:51

central this is of an automated system gonna offer

15:54

reclaimer or turbo israel the same

15:56

thing turbo is the

15:59

original import the turtle

16:01

the impure and the

16:05

has the hadn't if there's no trusting anyone

16:07

trusting these groups seriously there's like a constant

16:09

barrage of users trying to hack

16:11

users it's endless people

16:13

would own from a different skin

16:15

so the guy like twitter he's

16:18

talking about graham ivan clark

16:20

this a guy who hacked his

16:22

twitter elon musk joe biden

16:25

that your account

16:26

posted a scam two people

16:28

to send him bitcoin graham was

16:30

in these groups before he was arrested

16:33

if he or she was a simmer

16:35

she will limit people's people's service you'd call

16:37

people and told them

16:39

told them britain's committing fraud so when people

16:41

by accounts and ot users they can you the

16:44

do it what ground

16:46

hoarding certain accounts to people to

16:48

try to get their accounts frozen just

16:51

a grief people and sort of attack the community

16:53

he was part of zealand to that

16:55

conclusion blood oh she's just

16:57

committing fraud or did on this

16:59

article

17:00

under a team like down a diverse images

17:03

on stream the twitch streamer

17:05

popular for playing fortnight most

17:07

followed twitch channel out there and israel they're

17:11

blevins open to different

17:13

they're like you want to do something fun you like

17:15

they want to how coming from know the

17:18

into people and a minister going to limited with

17:20

tom they visited their niche actually dog

17:24

the i'm totally plugins oh

17:27

my i'm not a coverage from chicago like

17:29

goes down this point you're

17:31

not i can put this

17:35

is not limited to that's

17:37

internal method

17:42

the only a limited time

17:48

not a lot of one inflict where

17:50

did you think

17:53

but it on

17:54

them they actually wanted people's

17:56

wanted people's service like of yoga

17:59

to someone who you don't read

18:01

about them which means you can send emissions action and

18:03

then take them whatever i

18:05

, a very the causal causal would

18:07

on by things that that that had

18:10

the upper body forbidden to take the money back and get

18:12

back product so

18:14

if the i can always been for thousand dollars

18:16

start enough i particularly

18:19

hate charge backs because the victim is so powerless

18:21

in that situation

18:22

if someone steals your credit card and buy something

18:25

online until the credit card company hey

18:27

i didn't make this purchase please reverse it and

18:29

a credit card company will do what's called a charge

18:31

backs the take the money back from

18:33

what was sent to the merchant

18:35

that they send a merchant a fifteen dollar penalty

18:38

so that can be abused people

18:40

can buy things get the item that they wanted

18:43

and then as you would charge back and the credit card company

18:45

will side with the cardholder almost every

18:48

time anyway this this

18:50

another example of how people in these

18:52

communities attack each other and in fact

18:54

over the course of it's existence be owed users

18:56

website itself has been breached

18:59

at least three times exposing

19:01

all the data on the users who are registered

19:03

there and since drew was amiss

19:06

that meant his accounts had been in a few

19:10

so i have to ask you now have you been by

19:13

any okay so than

19:15

slim but people for thousand

19:17

on sunday those little are among friends

19:19

you been scammed by for ten thousand

19:21

dollars how

19:24

did you end

19:26

the a big is inviting of

19:28

anything i've ever seen those

19:31

were he criminals criminals have no boundaries

19:34

earlier for an enemy the

19:37

present study that's it the

19:39

origin of the have no origin of their

19:41

mouth president obama

19:44

didn't criminals are nice would you rather criminals

19:47

so they will it's what you they will

19:51

the dogs which is often the

19:55

literally

19:57

i'm do anything like it was what you nc

20:02

and will do to your own from they

20:04

would be sword you a

20:07

wallet the new

20:10

grammar going to pull your ssn and i opened

20:12

alone those

20:15

, like the fundamental i think i say

20:17

so it sounds like you that docs us

20:19

are many times times least

20:22

three times so is full

20:24

details were exposed and of course

20:26

that land and

20:28

a wanted to extort him contacted

20:32

him and threatened him don't

20:34

, are going into

20:38

cupboards don't into cupboards to me this much

20:43

there are pointed ammonia

20:45

like i'm the meet with murder or

20:49

the what you mean it right

20:51

the instagram name on you the

20:53

a new period

20:56

okay so you write their name on your forehead

20:58

and then take a picture show us

21:01

, i'll do whatever you want want

21:03

fix introduce fix known as much

21:06

as

21:12

on honor and moment no

21:14

little more consequential things like hello

21:17

they've been so you're printing or cybercriminal

21:19

it

21:23

you know

21:30

don't normally

21:33

, get

21:35

or in against the do

21:37

was hit with his and he didn't want to tell his parents

21:40

so he just sent them some money and they money

21:42

away but there was another time

21:44

when he was scammed which was even

21:46

stranger well all this was

21:48

even he still playing roadblocks rights

21:51

and fact that this point he's made his own game

21:53

with his friends any wants to attract some users

21:55

to the game so that he could buy the

21:58

and make some of those rollbacks the

22:00

had a little game going and it was all set up

22:03

but it just didn't have many players

22:05

so you wanted to shoot him on robots to the front

22:07

page so you get more players see make

22:09

more money

22:11

do you do it when you're a conniving

22:14

teenager you find a way to

22:16

falsely inflate the numbers to make your game look

22:19

more popular so people joined basically

22:21

if you bought mimics are human empathy is

22:24

so is it would you wanted

22:26

to do it enough didn't exist

22:28

join the game but he didn't have a

22:31

the city hired a service

22:33

like a roadblock spot master

22:35

kind of thing someone who specializes

22:37

in getting more players and euro black servers

22:39

for a fee

22:41

the real players at all they're just spots

22:44

but you didn't have enough money

22:46

the person so it's friends gave him the

22:48

money to pay this guy so he gets

22:50

his friends money and paste this bought master

22:52

a few hundred dollars to turn it on the

22:54

by master take the money but doesn't

22:56

deliver users to his game instead

22:59

do things the screen sharing

23:02

one day he accidently revealed something

23:04

that identified who drew really

23:06

was and this essentially men the

23:09

bot masseur new druze real

23:11

name and identity and address

23:14

so instead of sending him bots in his game

23:16

the bought master tried to it yeah

23:21

hundred dollars or all make your life hell and

23:23

this

23:25

i proceeded to show druze real name and

23:27

address and said listen pay

23:29

going be sorry i know where you live surrenders

23:36

other and surrenders

23:39

are from your special underneath my know

23:44

dirty users for us hacking

23:47

so okay so what he got was some

23:49

empty flat boxes from

23:51

the united states post office now

23:53

if you go to us p s stock

23:55

of and to click shop and then priority

23:58

mail all the priority packaging

24:00

supplies are free tv

24:02

just as many as you

24:05

and all for the shipping and

24:08

because he didn't pay that batman hundred

24:11

dollars yes for have

24:13

you in the mail okay

24:16

that's a little spooky but

24:18

no big deal right

24:20

and and to , are

24:23

are , and coming home and school

24:26

like a this school like a like

24:29

entire front your home

24:32

from situation

24:34

, says to there were like pallets

24:37

of boxes they filled up his entire front

24:39

porch and the walkway and there were

24:41

even more stacks and stacks of

24:43

flattened us peek box priority

24:45

mail boxes were at his door and

24:47

there were

24:49

as you can imagine being a fifteen year old kid

24:51

seeing this you get scared we

24:54

either and so his dad wasn't home

24:56

yet drew had a think quick coach

24:58

of amid orchestra

25:01

random place like of is is is very illegal

25:04

and don't regret this more bleed

25:06

mom as , and

25:08

as randomly nearby like only only

25:10

takes pride upwards of three hours by do

25:12

by myself as carrying running

25:14

with these back it is trying to put them all it wouldn't

25:17

put them in wouldn't latest next

25:20

well i mean at least his dad didn't find

25:22

out but by it was

25:24

at a long time messages

25:27

that you're getting of like do this for me

25:29

the more boxes or

25:31

the reason detroit

25:33

, you back or get more boxes and and

25:35

thousand be in contact my father

25:39

are you pay you what how much did they were

25:41

did the one with over the years says

25:44

only around fifteen years old at the time and so he

25:46

tells them that doesn't have five hundred dollars

25:49

and he doesn't even know where to get five the dollars from

25:51

that

25:52

matter to whoever was doing this ama

25:54

desert exploits sixteen year old kids

25:56

they're like like , there

25:59

and after

26:00

in send them more money they sent

26:02

him another order of ten thousand

26:04

us p s packing boxes to was house

26:07

once again he sees them as hes walking

26:09

home from school one day and is like

26:12

oh man not again before

26:17

throwing as many as he can under his arms

26:19

and running them to a nearby mc piece of land by

26:21

a lake and

26:23

them all away before his dad got home and

26:25

again his dad didn't find out about

26:27

this but

26:29

this time someone was walking

26:31

around them all these boxes

26:34

and

26:36

shipping labels were still on

26:38

a few which had druze name and address

26:41

the old the homeowner sufficient advisor much about

26:43

sir david

26:44

the come to the house relic why you

26:46

know much about then

26:49

i'm like okay this

26:51

is that of course hears about though

26:54

she's in and drew gets the

26:58

biggest for was referred to move us posted back to

27:00

the house like

27:03

they will get unbelievably sore

27:05

like there ,

27:08

so much weight to move but

27:10

on the damage was the damage been grounded for monson

27:13

not like know computer even

27:18

are probably almost my life i

27:20

had to him but bosses every single

27:22

weekend defended or cycling been

27:24

colors and we the full retard road with

27:27

boxes like to

27:29

the brim with both if like stocked up on sex

27:32

when in the recycling bin i

27:35

, across most likely to split it up

27:37

months and months at

27:41

the box

27:43

that kind of like a knife to like a

27:46

rings and i'm so we could maximize the amount of of

27:48

sphere cycle this would have taken forever

27:50

right yeah ans the thing is did

27:53

you come clean or to your dad and say actually

27:55

we were trying to you know

27:57

falsely inflate our our

27:59

brother

28:00

our server and so we pay this guy and

28:02

i can backed us afterwards

28:04

, dude that he never knew but additional

28:07

risk i knew what was your to touch it on

28:09

same thing like it was this it

28:11

was a complex story for

28:14

your forehead teenage sons tell the dad

28:16

like i deserve the reason that hollis

28:18

said suspense it

28:20

like will sell it to me a third time because

28:23

i'm not getting is it's simplicity

28:25

to theory are forty five minutes the

28:28

they're doing it myself again imagine how many times

28:30

yeah exactly well

28:34

that i think that so you're

28:37

able to laugh at it now are you still a

28:39

good

28:41

it's hard to what i find it obvious they

28:44

do that but

28:47

it is why is a lesson you learned from that money

28:51

on bristol don't what

28:55

the opposite oh

28:57

let's talk about that for a second a

28:59

little zippers are still my favorite

29:02

beatle reading the

29:04

, how what are the tracks the not be

29:06

docs above above

29:08

is around are talking

29:11

the a person by another teenager

29:15

or so if you wanna avoid

29:18

my they supposed to you is don't screen

29:20

share anything cause you actually

29:22

screens or something it's too revealing

29:26

do you think that you are i'm concerned as this

29:29

year and are overruns name's don't

29:31

mean to concerts or of don't leak accounts tier

29:33

to score liquor spot if spot if can see we're

29:35

for the couples you enter when

29:39

was it was a persona and on ontario's

29:42

the same the one of your emails only

29:46

you could do ruslan

29:49

chagaev common as

29:52

outdoors person yeah and

29:56

just don't trust people my like can

29:59

be your friends but the me like i

30:01

can shared and because you think they're harmless would never

30:04

, with an affront to become two years on the net

30:07

net be anything and don't

30:09

like guns that i always don't

30:11

don't drive you order yeah

30:14

i so and

30:17

you learn from this what else did you learn from cardboard

30:19

boxes from

30:22

the the article

30:26

but there's a moral things

30:28

like i'm why , both

30:30

of these people in are like i

30:32

make no money the automobile

30:35

me to lose and , on

30:39

on more like on where are

30:41

my prayer i'm always been

30:43

a very good soon school like a voice

30:45

against correlate seriously drew

30:48

was realizing that the community

30:50

the was involved with

30:51

the pretty toxic not good

30:53

for society but he didn't

30:55

cut himself the back

30:59

in these forums and just

31:01

a study them and watch them yeah

31:05

yeah i mean the coming out and saying

31:07

hey guys if

31:09

you why i

31:12

don't like the commute the

31:15

they

31:18

could i would the want to discuss

31:22

on the arm

31:25

so detrimental on

31:31

i'm i'm looking to the

31:35

community amo i want to document

31:38

on it and one day aren't

31:40

we would know foreigners in realize like own

31:43

pocket , unit was when it arrives

31:45

on just like my years as like a good

31:47

as well for some

31:50

reason this hits me in a weird way

31:53

when i was a kid on the internet the and

31:55

it was very difference and

32:00

they were therefore it i'm talking about

32:02

the where's seen muds aol

32:04

chatrooms freaking cracking and

32:06

just hearing this noise by itself brings back so

32:08

many memories

32:13

and would pack of that as the good old days

32:16

despite everything being a thousand times harder to

32:18

do back then because the term user friendly

32:20

didn't exist yet it still felt

32:22

like simpler times

32:24

what was happening online was innovating

32:26

a thousand times faster than the clunky

32:29

outside world being online

32:31

celts counterculture and new things

32:33

would cancel it be springing up like napster

32:36

hacking groups and the pirate bay and

32:38

police and major media corporations

32:40

couldn't figure out how to stop us there

32:42

was so many times we were laughing at authorities

32:44

for how ineffective they were at policing

32:47

the internet

32:48

q the kids if we're going through their teens

32:50

today and part of the online

32:53

counterculture is this

32:55

what they're going to look back at as

32:57

the good old days

32:59

are these the kinds of stories that was see

33:01

them into who they'll be later in

33:04

life maybe we

33:06

don't know how it's going to end up

33:08

for them when it's like they're

33:11

going through a similar painful

33:13

crucibles just as i did this

33:16

with all gas and no brakes

33:18

the with us because after the break you

33:21

start naming names

33:29

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33:31

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33:33

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33:35

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33:56

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34:28

okay so some lessons learned some things

34:30

they're of what's and asserts let's get

34:32

into another story here so what's and other

34:35

thing you've seen the way to make money

34:38

nine i'm listening

34:42

they don't little i think it's journey for now let's

34:44

let's get into some swapping then look at on

34:46

was sinful okay so by

34:48

this point you probably know what same swapping is

34:50

but if not i'll be real quick seem

34:53

swapping is when someone tricks the phone company

34:55

to move your cell phone number it's had

34:57

their phone just like when you get a

34:59

new cell phone you need to tell the phone company that

35:01

you have a new phone and that you want your number to

35:03

work on that now it's sin it be

35:05

possible for someone to just take your phone

35:08

number but there are ways it can

35:10

be done the first way is

35:12

going to sound obvious to return

35:14

insider the company's normally i will be

35:16

boy many or manager

35:19

to give you their logan or to

35:21

this to spots where for no one's looking

35:24

the you doing an imaginary customer

35:27

insiders our own frequently

35:29

paid about a dozen or spurs off and

35:32

this is the a getting a simple thing is

35:34

awesome topic started

35:35

okay so that's one way to do is some swap

35:38

obviously if you're a manager of a mobile phone

35:40

store you have the ability to do

35:42

that and if you do that for one

35:44

of these kids you can make some serious

35:46

money easily over a thousand dollars

35:48

per number maybe even ten thousand dollars

35:50

per number there's a new way these

35:52

kids are doing it and it's wild

35:55

sarah leave the is just

35:57

about that the not going to bomb company

35:59

direction the

36:01

the new wave is called a remote snatching we

36:03

know is short for remote tablet

36:05

the you are going to team or team

36:08

was that uses was airing on it was

36:10

a mobile the running

36:12

a take the store managers tablet from his hands

36:15

you run out

36:19

okay again it if you have the store managers

36:22

tablet that the device as

36:24

the rise to move phone numbers so

36:26

it makes sense you in that you

36:28

can do it swap on hamlin but

36:31

, it's not that easy let's back

36:33

up let's push back way up first

36:36

you need to know who the sims swap

36:39

the unifying the target can take a long time

36:41

and the lot of steps and i want to break that

36:43

down

36:44

the talked about them swapping on the show in the past

36:46

such as in the episode called the pizza problem

36:48

and tennessee these are two stories

36:51

where people were targeted simply because they had high

36:53

value user names on instagram and

36:55

twitter okay so that's one reason

36:57

to target someone to get control of the user

36:59

name and sell it on owed users for a

37:01

few thousand dollars but i feel like

37:03

that's old hat now there's a whole

37:05

new crime wave that springing up and

37:07

it is as he prepares himself for our big

37:09

dogs which are organs they

37:12

own wire out my your that you sell transfer

37:15

several banks what

37:17

this is big in this community it's

37:20

really hard to actually do it so first

37:22

they have to figure out a valid log in for the user

37:24

and will get into how they know passwords later

37:27

but for now just assume that they have a working

37:29

use him and password for a bank account and

37:31

so they log into the town's the did

37:33

of new will withdraw it is you at receiver

37:35

or gp or one time thing the

37:38

word with these are awesome

37:41

go

37:44

shopping bags looking crazy awesome the

37:47

thing is that there's a bunch of monuments they

37:49

also requires your real were knowledge money laundering

37:52

you are literally soon as person's money the

37:55

new the point we're nami countries body that's

37:58

extremely hard right

38:00

there's some really savvy people playing

38:02

in that space the easier target

38:04

is going after people who have crypto currency

38:07

because with crypto currency it's stupid

38:10

easy to grab all the money and a wallet

38:12

and just send it to and anonymizing service like

38:14

tornado cash and cash out

38:16

since this is an easier target now it means

38:18

more people are going after crypto

38:20

currencies now

38:22

okay so it makes sense for these kids to

38:24

target people with high value crypto wallets

38:27

that how you find someone with a big fat

38:29

crypto wallet

38:31

well it takes a whole bunch of steps so

38:33

this is a huge market and i i'm

38:35

underground it is but since without a doubt

38:37

it's on people use will be call

38:39

como list or basically

38:42

we database that are password

38:45

an email with for the presence of indie harsh obviously

38:48

like when doing label cracker john

38:50

the river

38:52

and a there one them drew

38:54

a listening for these coms

38:56

with are password that are user cost motive sites

38:59

okay so youve heard of major websites suffering

39:01

from data breaches right where the whole

39:03

user database stolen and if your customer

39:05

one of these sites you might just shrug

39:08

maybe change password and carry on

39:10

hoping that nothing comes back and hits you

39:12

right well this data is golden

39:15

in these circles for you can head over

39:17

to a site like read forums talk com

39:19

or now the that to or crack

39:22

that to these sites post tons

39:24

and tons are full database leaks

39:26

and might cost you few bucks to get it but

39:29

you can download them right there were

39:31

talking major websites that of been breaches

39:33

there databases are right there easy to

39:35

grab sites like adobe the

39:37

ask of voter database theres and episode

39:40

database there apparently a dolfin

39:42

finder the android forums and that's

39:44

just a small example

39:45

the a's inside these database

39:48

dumps could be a bunch of things but

39:50

they typically have typically person's name the

39:52

user name email debut

39:54

their phone number maybe their address and

39:56

then proceeded to proceeded password

39:58

is typically

40:00

in the database which means you can't actually see

40:02

what it is but this is where tools

40:04

come in that can crack password hashes

40:07

it's hard to crack a single harsh

40:09

if that's all you want to do but when you

40:11

have like one hundred million records

40:13

in the adobe database for instance

40:16

you're likely be able to find some hashes

40:18

that aren't very strong and now

40:20

you have a valid usernames and

40:22

passwords for people now

40:24

tik that username or email address

40:27

and cross reference that with other data

40:29

breaches is this person

40:31

reusing passwords are their

40:33

usernames and passwords in the adobe

40:36

breach that also work on netflix

40:40

sadly yes yes

40:42

a lot of people just pick one

40:44

password and then use that on all the sites

40:46

they have account for and so now just

40:49

by cracking a database dump

40:51

you've got access to someone's netflix account

40:53

and this opens up a whole

40:55

new massive markets in the underground

40:58

communities people will buy netflix

41:00

accounts for two dollars and fifty cents

41:03

because that's obviously wage deeper than

41:05

paying the eighteen dollars a month for a premium

41:07

subscription or it's once

41:09

interest with netflix to

41:11

walmart triple a nordstrom only

41:14

fans sir shark nord vpn

41:16

macy's credit of owings coffee

41:19

jones their sites you can go to to

41:21

buy user accounts for any

41:23

of these websites and you

41:25

might even get a combo pack for a bunch of log

41:27

in say ten dollars for the you

41:32

to edge of in now

41:35

you're stumbling into the to use of the mystery

41:37

burrito orders that people are reporting on

41:39

the supposedly sub reddit you

41:41

can download ad supposedly app on your phone

41:44

and use it to order food but the app

41:46

is often connected to your credit cards see

41:48

you can use someone else is supposedly

41:51

accounts to order a burrito for

41:53

you

41:54

and then they pay for it the same

41:56

goes with papa john's free pizza

41:59

if you have

42:00

the aalborg in someone elses account and

42:02

this enters us into the world of pizza plugs

42:05

which i've been watching closely for while

42:07

it's kind of mythical there's

42:10

these chat rooms where you can go

42:12

and make and food orders such as

42:15

three large pizzas and someone

42:17

in the chat rooms will take your order and ask

42:19

you for like five bucks and then they'll

42:21

use they'll stolen pizza account

42:24

to login create the order

42:26

and then send you then pizza it cost

42:28

them two or three dollars to buy the count the

42:30

make five dollars from this you get three

42:33

pizzas for five dollars and

42:35

of the account holder is the one who's

42:37

paying for it

42:38

i'm telling you this goes so much

42:41

deeper than i have time for oh

42:43

and the window for buying and selling these volleyball

42:45

games is just logs so

42:48

there's a whole bunch of people out there looking to

42:50

database dumps trying to find valid logs

42:52

to as many places as he can so they can

42:55

sell these logs for profit images

42:57

are suing doted on and for at the computer

43:00

connected apple critical for is because the borders

43:02

which were featured on with his aunts

43:05

that an order that it is five hundred a day

43:08

a really popular one going on right now is

43:10

hilton honors loggins because

43:12

these

43:13

i can get you a few nights stay in a

43:15

fancy hotel for free

43:17

okay so there's two types of accounts

43:19

you can get essay and an

43:21

essay that is full access

43:24

and known full access all the counts

43:26

we just listed are basically nfc non

43:28

full access a full access account

43:31

is one that has all these volleyball

43:33

games plus a valid email

43:35

account blog

43:37

that means if you can get into someone's outlook

43:39

or the email then you can easily reset

43:42

the password for any of these other accounts that

43:44

you want to get into and it really does

43:46

give you full access into someone's

43:48

digital life there's little tool that people

43:50

use at once again in the someone's email account

43:52

they can quickly search through all the emails to see if

43:54

there's anything of value in these emails

43:57

schedule richer the printer does this

43:59

it all my good sir to the key terms

44:01

of the ah the whatever you want

44:03

to percent of there he was your

44:05

signed up for mx or america

44:08

were to pull their

44:10

then you just use on the

44:12

dotted rendered to see yeah three

44:16

the number complex

44:17

you don't have essay accounts to

44:20

you can just take a database don't and converted

44:22

to convalesce this is just a format at least

44:24

showing username coal and password and

44:27

you can take this combo less than have a tool just

44:29

automatically try logging into tons of

44:31

sides to check of the password works

44:33

anywhere memory usage for such as centered

44:35

and be a a complaint or superbowl thereby

44:39

automatically check or convalesce

44:41

that is not a manual process and go that are

44:43

with by doesn't cpm which means it was a five

44:45

thousand times per second what it and

44:48

the bottle upwards of eighty

44:51

five thousand wanted a on the shops i

44:53

personally can see because he was shot

44:55

stalkers and shoppers you can

44:57

talk on me shows are getting per day i've

45:00

seen people so upwards of and

45:02

don't need comforted through doors for video we're

45:04

going the got those notes

45:06

okay so now is should be clear how

45:08

someone can get a bunch of valid

45:11

loggins to various sites okay

45:14

but i only wanted to sail that because that

45:16

will help you understand how we find someone

45:19

who has a lot of crypto currency to

45:21

target the most popular did was have

45:23

ever seen in my years of being here you

45:25

want your database

45:27

ledger is a company that provides physical

45:30

code or source for bitcoin well

45:32

what does it say about some of the by a legend lot the

45:35

bitcoin the nearby bombs

45:38

and superbly target for at the don't move

45:41

very interesting letter

45:44

is a physical crypto wallet

45:46

in in twenty twenty the user database

45:49

was breached five months

45:51

later the database was posted to

45:53

raid forums in the database

45:55

is email name physical address

45:58

and phone number know passwords or

46:00

crypto keys were in there the with

46:02

a little crossroads thing one

46:04

can take the email address from the ledger

46:07

database and see if it matches

46:09

any emails and another database

46:12

and , they're seeing as there are any

46:14

known passwords for that email

46:16

address then you can try

46:18

plugging that email address and password

46:20

into coin base or finance

46:23

or crack in or spx in gemini

46:26

or any crypto it seems to it

46:28

if it's a valid login and these are

46:30

all crypto extremes where people keep their crypto

46:32

currencies and of course if you know

46:34

someone's username and password out password crypto

46:36

exchange it means big

46:39

trouble for them

46:40

there's a few safety checks that these exchanges

46:42

put in place to thwart kids

46:44

like this

46:46

there's there's a lot of value just

46:48

knowing if the person is registered

46:50

at a coin base forget about

46:52

their password for a second is this email

46:54

even registered here and if you type

46:56

in someone's email address and a bogus

46:59

password it won't give you any

47:01

clue and whether that email is registered

47:03

they're nice

47:04

however if you try to sign up for a

47:06

new account with an email address that already

47:08

exists

47:09

in bingo coin base will tip

47:11

it's hand and say that email

47:13

is already registered here so

47:16

this is how someone can take the ledger database

47:18

dump and figure out who has accounts

47:20

on queen bees or gemini are cracking

47:22

of finance or wherever and

47:24

then cross reference that with other

47:26

database dumps to try to figure out what's

47:29

the password is on those costs

47:31

now if a thief has a valid email

47:34

and password your crypto accounts

47:36

are still a big hurdle in the way to

47:39

f a

47:40

all the crypto exchanges require you to enable

47:42

two factor authentication the

47:44

urge you to get something like google authenticator

47:47

or authy which is an app on your phone

47:49

that has a six digit number that you have

47:51

to have in order to log in but

47:54

at the bare minimum they'll send you a text

47:56

message with the six or seven digit code

47:58

to lock in so just

48:00

having a user name and password isn't

48:02

enough to get into someone's crypto count you

48:04

also need that to ask a

48:06

code in the fast majority

48:09

of coin base users the

48:11

heck based codes

48:14

then you see where we've arrived no well

48:18

i wanted and corners of millions of dollars

48:20

that know that's where this new seemingly was coming from

48:22

there the comments from databases

48:25

the you to quit it is automated then

48:29

we get the counter medicine for them there's

48:31

it's it's mostly profitable the

48:33

old is arguably the most horrible thing you can derail

48:36

now at this point we have enough information

48:39

to some swap the target we

48:41

know they have a ledger wallet and we

48:43

know they have a queen bees account and we have their

48:45

username and password all that's

48:48

needed now is to take control of

48:50

their phone number so that we can get

48:52

texts so that we can login

48:55

while this might be enough to sim

48:57

swap someone the thieves

49:00

take this step further to

49:02

try to figure out how much as in the accounts

49:04

before same swapping someone only

49:06

registered in a bleak midwinter tell you this but

49:09

there was an expert include this or about one month

49:11

where you could check the balance of any valid password and

49:13

username the beach no matter what he

49:15

didn't need of any sort out as except

49:17

is your password see to need assumed undefeated

49:19

else the people is when millions

49:22

upon millions of combos combo us

49:24

through point eight selma

49:26

millionaires abyss

49:28

there is a million dollars that

49:31

is if you just had just had username and password

49:34

you could see how much was in the users queen

49:36

base account this made it

49:38

crystal clear exactly who to target

49:41

for a juicy same spot

49:43

what you still need that to have a code

49:45

to get in and move the money it's just

49:47

that you didn't need to see the balance for a while

49:50

now i've sort of confirm this bleeping

49:53

computer ran an article back in october

49:55

two thousand and twenty one saying that six thousand

49:57

point based customers had their crypt a while the

50:00

drained due to a flaw in coin

50:02

bases to as a system i'm

50:04

pretty sure it's talking about this bug

50:07

is that drew just said

50:09

knowing exactly how much money that someone

50:11

hasn't their account is vital

50:13

to making your sim swap more successful

50:16

and there's one last bit about coinbase if

50:19

you have you have username and password and you log

50:21

in you'll see whether or not that user

50:23

has text message to have a or

50:25

google the you

50:28

if for and the of

50:31

users use to be

50:35

a if the the

50:38

they and if to

50:40

sim you that a

50:45

on the and it the

50:48

two of the and

50:50

it the we

50:53

two x x x x x x

50:55

x x or your two

50:58

are that of what

51:01

the two of the are are

51:04

for to get the so

51:07

you to do some so

51:10

the he was a

51:13

then we we find a real name of the person and

51:15

i'll tell you they watch your numbers of the phone number with

51:18

information you have to do a have

51:21

, verified or with a search on the person

51:24

person that we that off on

51:26

their name on their personal occasion when

51:28

their occasion number there's a million with you

51:30

this my with advice is the

51:33

house the email is closer

51:35

and there are obstacles to got this email

51:37

hundreds or else they email be as rethink

51:40

their ip are some economy know that

51:42

you can use to know you look at

51:44

them into a people search on

51:46

my pages or been verified search that area

51:48

with their name mean of on the phone number

51:51

that will nationalist sale of the on

51:53

and

51:55

okay so that's how these sims whoppers

51:57

are choosing their targets today

52:00

this point the know the user name password

52:03

the phone number and the account balance

52:05

to know is it's going to be a juicy grab when

52:08

you can quickly look up or kind of carrier the phone

52:10

number belongs to see can swap

52:12

using the right carrier

52:15

there's a big set up process just

52:17

to figure out who are same swapping

52:19

targets gonna be

52:21

in fact it's so much work this is

52:23

a market just in itself just identifying

52:25

a list of targets and selling this information

52:28

is it's own rackets so while

52:30

it seems like a lot of work someone

52:32

could just step in right here

52:35

by the dita and go first

52:37

time swap okay , now

52:40

we're ready for the big sims

52:42

swamp event so you remember

52:44

how the process got started right someone ran into

52:46

ran t-mobile store snatched the tablet from tablet

52:48

store managers hands store managers outta there

52:50

this is called a remote remote tablet

52:52

grab but we're still not ready

52:54

for that part yet before you steal the

52:57

managers tablet you need the managers

52:59

password that's on the tablet rights so

53:01

you need to do rican on the store figure

53:03

out everything you can about the manager

53:06

to try to social engineer them just

53:08

like call you can

53:10

this is on join working with a deity opacity

53:12

mobile can you please on

53:15

tend to the ticket as ticket as if a girl enter

53:18

your mental again

53:19

okay so now you have the managers password

53:22

to log into the tablet and we know how

53:24

to get the tablet but let me tell you this

53:26

is a major problem that t-mobile is

53:28

trying to battle and there are internal

53:30

memos going around right now of procedures

53:32

of what to do if this happens at your store

53:35

like one thing is to immediately call

53:37

the ic helpdesk and get the tablet disabled

53:39

as fast as you can and get that manager

53:41

account disabled and so when this happens

53:44

stores typically get the tablet disabled

53:46

within ten minutes and so we've

53:48

got it back up again because we've only

53:50

got this ten minute window and

53:53

you've got to do everything in that and so

53:55

you'll need to be prepared and we have not done

53:57

our preparations yet so what

53:59

you need to know here

54:00

is that this isn't done by one person

54:02

the snatcher is just one point in this

54:04

game and receive people encoder him aren't

54:07

like that had to personable run into a sore the

54:09

the gruesome idiots that the know i wrote the governors

54:11

have a sore for them and that person who runs

54:13

and and grabs the in runs out is really

54:16

getting paid the lowest on the list here they

54:18

can two hundred grow a suitable cater

54:20

runner so little

54:22

so they'd be two hundred dollars for someone to go in and

54:24

grabbed the tablet and bring it back out to them

54:27

and they have to be set up nearby because the only

54:29

have ten minutes to do this remember and

54:31

so the person who ultimately has the tablet

54:33

in their hands is particularly skilled

54:35

at navigating the t mobile software

54:38

to do the same swap and maybe that's

54:40

because the worked in the store before

54:42

are they saw a video on how it's done but

54:44

still the person who's actually typing

54:47

on the tablet doing the same swap

54:49

is it the same person who's gonna feel crypto

54:52

currency from coin base users that's

54:54

a whole nother group of people who have collected

54:56

all those coin base laws and are waiting for someone

54:58

to do a remote and they all get organized

55:01

inside a telegram chat room and

55:03

people are willing to pay a person to do

55:05

a remote swaps sometimes ten

55:07

thousand dollars per number i'm just trying to confirm

55:10

that winner in the telegram channel and

55:12

they're like okay i hope somebody gets

55:14

a a remote and i i got a three

55:17

them you know accounts i really wanna do

55:19

all you need to do is provide that phone

55:21

number to the person who did the root for got the remote

55:24

right

55:25

perfect you and you sound like a real

55:27

, your in are illegal

55:32

read below the quote is you either

55:34

to die a hero or you live long enough to become

55:36

a villain and that so action

55:41

the only better

55:44

graham am using the term okay yeah

55:46

i know i know

55:48

so people are him telegram

55:51

and they're like rights it's what

55:53

it was like friday night saturday so it's like

55:55

okay eighty goes inside and in the they tell

55:57

the group like i'm getting a minute drive down there and entice

56:00

and brother got it all that i am also

56:02

treated yeah there's always people

56:04

are issues that are like in their bedroom doors

56:06

like don't come in dad i'm i'm very busy tonight

56:09

don't come in the room whatever you do with him

56:11

, all go they'll give you some first no time

56:15

like you the hospital you the

56:19

when i do know you got him a deceptively

56:22

simple be willing to , it right

56:24

now has to her just just

56:26

probably would have ten minutes due to there's no

56:28

time for dinner success in a dinner

56:31

underdogs know if you choose and

56:35

i didn't really have really dozen on exaggerate this dozen on

56:37

how it is sometimes with

56:38

the rules are so short isn't this is what i love

56:40

imagining is like the actual person behind

56:43

the screen and if it is a teenager has just

56:45

as there is this is this possibility

56:47

of it all going wrong any second because

56:50

they're livid over they've got to clean the room or

56:52

right so though besides

56:55

that there that there there they're in

56:57

telegram they get the the

56:59

message okay i thought the remote way and would

57:01

you say ten thousand dollars per

57:03

number don't

57:06

to my soccer

57:08

the will work moment cause you about five thousand dollars

57:10

first or if they're afraid to come in cause you

57:12

some thousand five hundred from become a special

57:14

protection with their guns the to buy possible

57:17

reason , going to cost you upwards

57:19

of of fifty thousand dollars

57:22

for isn't as extreme your secured but also

57:24

but if you have the

57:26

right equipment i got any branch

57:28

manager like and which is a very

57:31

quite position we need to go to pay off at verizon

57:33

mentored a lot then

57:35

you go how come you can't it appears in

57:38

your own people for new findings with diverse

57:40

you really just the an inside cat rutherford the

57:43

agency i think of people were trying to decrease

57:45

the prices down to there

57:47

are two to three thousand dollars

57:49

because the their opus to is

57:52

not to secure

57:54

okay so this person who does the remote

57:56

snatch let everyone know hours

57:58

before that they are planning to you a remote

58:00

that site to the activators the person

58:03

who coordinates the remote search and so

58:05

the activator tells everyone in the discord channel

58:07

that they've got the remote and they're ready for orders

58:10

immediately people in telegram start giving

58:12

him information phone number and i

58:14

see see id that's all they need

58:16

to begin the process of moving the phone numbers

58:18

from the customers phone to the thief's

58:20

phone and telegram

58:22

it's an intense and minutes time

58:25

is ticking and at any moment that tablet

58:27

will become the activated so they've

58:29

gotta go as fast as they can swapping

58:31

out as many numbers as they can

58:34

in that timeframe

58:35

good night and activator can

58:37

make over a hundred thousand dollars

58:40

from doing this german an opioid use

58:42

go to do look more lingo

58:44

luke is when are you joe someone

58:46

but i'll use more points much the liquor

58:48

dale the successful

58:50

long reward console log

58:52

mean point and and our lingo when

58:55

are you going to look at me that you the

58:57

you with through their balance it's yours you want the

59:00

motto is that you can use this for nothing to say this

59:02

person looks like a lick this person was ago easy

59:04

target in other words

59:06

you could use i could a with today meaning i could

59:08

a successful withdraw any quimby second now

59:12

these guys have control over their targets

59:14

phone numbers and it's time for them

59:16

to work as fast as he can sweating profusely

59:18

you go recipient to password gonna

59:21

property near them do noisy a on

59:23

residential proxy your by the target location

59:26

more into their doesn't reset the closer

59:28

to the movies was time it's not the same as or goodness

59:31

the cb going back to fight device of education

59:34

link still sweating profusely or

59:36

order to be or even coaches and dirt under screaming

59:38

or order to send you the code immediately

59:43

are you you're not you're not going to pay them on

59:46

, say holder as to

59:48

again order some of those actually holding onto the phone

59:50

as receiving lcp so most of the people have

59:53

the tories and belts are gonna hold the phone themselves suicide

59:55

operational security holy cow

59:57

have a designated holder

1:00:01

he would hold the cell phones just

1:00:03

have have

1:00:05

no means of course record comments

1:00:07

there's a holder involved with this whole thing to

1:00:10

then yes holders get paid for just

1:00:12

being the ones who bought the phone and got the

1:00:14

numbers switched over to it okay so the

1:00:16

person who wants to do the leg might first start

1:00:18

by going to the victims email and

1:00:20

resetting the passwords and on a lot of

1:00:22

email providers in order to reset the password

1:00:25

a text is and to you and so

1:00:27

the email providers sends the text and

1:00:29

the holder tells the person with the text is

1:00:32

and they get the access to the email account and

1:00:34

from there they tried to log in a coin based

1:00:36

upon putting in the username and password

1:00:38

it sends a text to the phone that the holder

1:00:41

has and the holder has to give the code

1:00:43

to this person and a person now

1:00:45

logs into coin base but there's typically

1:00:47

attacking coin base and had said something like we

1:00:49

don't recognize this device were send you an

1:00:52

email to verify it's you found

1:00:54

the person's already in their email account

1:00:56

so they just have to wait for the email and

1:00:58

click yeah it's me and coin base

1:01:00

less them in now they're in

1:01:02

someone's coin base accounts which

1:01:05

might have thirty thousand dollars

1:01:07

hundred thousand dollars or sometimes

1:01:10

even more than a million dollars and finish

1:01:12

off the rails to coin is prone to the

1:01:14

german army be withdraw the phones

1:01:17

and then you withdraw to your

1:01:19

exodus or your metamask lawyer

1:01:22

the on board

1:01:24

the reason why they transferred to coin bass pro

1:01:26

is because there's a higher daily withdrawal

1:01:28

limit their but there's a safety check their

1:01:30

to before you can withdraw funds from

1:01:32

queen bees there's one more to have

1:01:34

a check c need to get another text message

1:01:36

from the holder to initiate the transfer

1:01:39

there's still yet another security hurdle

1:01:41

coin base has a maximum daily withdrawal

1:01:44

limit and sometimes people have more

1:01:46

than that

1:01:47

the do says that's not a problem use

1:01:49

the workarounds people use

1:01:52

with i'm can talk about but there

1:01:54

are ways to withdraw the tuner fifty

1:01:56

thousand dollars or a million dollars you

1:02:00

can withdraw mass amounts of money there are

1:02:02

one way that everyone knows that i can say to you is

1:02:05

there's a certain bought out there on a forum

1:02:08

the will to spam request or the

1:02:10

same time to overwhelm

1:02:12

them and or them to withdraw like

1:02:14

on your panties of small transactions there

1:02:17

is the other ways

1:02:19

as well that are more directly kids

1:02:23

are determined then why wouldn't

1:02:26

they be when

1:02:26

the potential one million

1:02:28

dollar lick that they can score from

1:02:31

this though that the new generation of

1:02:33

crypto swappers bruno it

1:02:35

was pretty ten million arabs are all

1:02:37

under the age of sixteen i

1:02:39

know her that the line

1:02:42

seen them center elections live the

1:02:44

intimate million or looks there

1:02:47

those forum the older generation

1:02:50

the wonder where they're junior early with the crazy

1:02:53

tony doing or michael turpin targets

1:02:55

they have fifteen million

1:02:57

ten million and or and new also

1:03:00

like and have to use and the

1:03:03

like really high level things hey

1:03:05

michael

1:03:06

or been is a crypto currency investor

1:03:09

but he has a few startups in the space to

1:03:11

like transform group and bit angels

1:03:14

in january two thousand and eighteen someone did

1:03:16

the steps you just heard to hack

1:03:18

into turbans crypto wallet and

1:03:20

stilts twenty three million there's

1:03:22

worth of crypto out of it

1:03:24

twenty three million dollars stolen in one night

1:03:27

you know as soon as a person got that

1:03:30

they had to pay all the people down the line

1:03:32

the help them get their in this case it

1:03:34

was insiders working at eighteen t

1:03:36

that help do this well once this

1:03:38

guy stole the twenty three million he

1:03:40

still wasn't happy he tweeted stole

1:03:43

twenty three million is still can't stay away from

1:03:45

drugs stole two thousand three million

1:03:47

and can get my shit straight

1:03:49

harbin of course when to the police who started

1:03:51

investigating and were able to find some

1:03:53

pretty solid evidence that led them to a guy

1:03:55

named nicholas truly i was

1:03:57

twenty one living in manhattan and

1:04:00

the or keys eighteen

1:04:02

living in boston his mom and dad

1:04:05

erected both of these young men

1:04:07

joe ortiz was sentenced to ten

1:04:09

years in prison court

1:04:12

records show that nicholas and

1:04:14

over seventy million dollars in assets

1:04:16

at the time of his arrest

1:04:18

he pled guilty and is still

1:04:20

in court waiting to be sense as

1:04:23

for michael turpin he was really mad

1:04:25

that she was twenty three million dollars of course

1:04:27

he would be but he also had saved

1:04:29

the other crypto accounts and they were all fine

1:04:32

so i'm not sure what percentage of is cooked

1:04:34

or funds were stolen but he was still

1:04:36

furious so mad that he sued both

1:04:38

nicholas and eighteen teeth he sued eighteenth

1:04:40

heat for two hundred million dollars

1:04:43

claiming the person who talked with him on the phone said

1:04:45

his phone number is secure and cannot be some

1:04:47

swapped get it was and he

1:04:49

wants a tnt to admit that they

1:04:51

are the biggest reason why his money was stolen

1:04:53

however the judge dismissed the case

1:04:56

the turpin the hacker nicholas

1:04:59

and he won that

1:05:00

the judge favorite on the side of turpin and granted

1:05:03

him seventy five million dollars

1:05:05

so while turpin last twenty four

1:05:08

million dollars he was ultimately given

1:05:10

seventy five million dollars in compensation

1:05:13

wild stuff

1:05:14

it was the crypto investors author of

1:05:16

someone holding congress' decision

1:05:18

very useful for you it

1:05:21

doesn't needed emails for things that you deal the

1:05:23

you in a separate your personal in often

1:05:25

of the don't see enough of that

1:05:28

right this makes sense

1:05:30

we have now graduated from don't

1:05:32

reuse passwords to don't

1:05:35

reuse emails on high profile accounts

1:05:38

if you have an email address that

1:05:40

was just for your crypto scenes and

1:05:43

you used at nowhere else then it would be

1:05:45

really hard to discover that email address

1:05:47

and try to hit because after

1:05:49

all you need a username and password

1:05:51

to get into these places so why not

1:05:54

make the user name really hard to find

1:05:56

if your user name is the same email address

1:05:58

that use for everything the not like giving

1:06:00

half of your life the and whoever you chadwick

1:06:03

now we just went over the one hundred steps

1:06:05

it takes the sims want someone and still all

1:06:08

their money but i want to take a step back

1:06:10

and look at this for moments this wasn't

1:06:12

a quick and simple method to do this

1:06:15

it took a whole lot of research to find

1:06:17

just a good target and this is important

1:06:19

to know because people ask me questions all the time

1:06:21

like oh what's the real danger if i put

1:06:23

my birthday on my facebook profile they're

1:06:26

expecting some sort of quick and simple way a

1:06:28

hacker can use against them but it's

1:06:30

not always quick and simple if

1:06:32

these kind of criminals get a whiff that you got

1:06:34

something that they want the will keys

1:06:36

out your life and build a massive report

1:06:39

on you so that they can completely

1:06:41

own your digital life and become you

1:06:43

every little scrap of extra information

1:06:45

they can get about you can potentially mean

1:06:48

a massive pay for them if

1:06:50

some obscure website you had an account

1:06:52

with kids breached and they get the password

1:06:54

you used and you reuse a password

1:06:56

somewhere else that's just opens doors for

1:06:58

them obviously getting into your email and

1:07:00

phone numbers valuable to them so don't really

1:07:02

love it if you just post that publicly but then

1:07:04

there are the little things what city you're

1:07:06

in what browser you use what things

1:07:09

you like where you like to get coffee and

1:07:11

who your family members are all these

1:07:13

things can be used to exploit you further

1:07:15

if they know what city you're in they can use a proxy

1:07:18

and your location to make their traffic look like

1:07:20

it's coming from somewhere close to you if they

1:07:22

know what browser you use that will help them look

1:07:24

more like you when they're trying to access your accounts

1:07:27

and if they know what things you like them i tell them

1:07:29

about some other areas of your life to check out

1:07:31

and if they know what you like to get coffee this might

1:07:33

the next meeting you there and picking your pockets

1:07:36

by standing in line for your latte and

1:07:38

if they have information about who your family

1:07:40

members are those family members

1:07:42

might get targeted

1:07:44

do here told me a story about how one

1:07:46

time when they wanted to get into some guys accounts they

1:07:48

texted the wife posing as the

1:07:50

has been to get her to read off

1:07:52

the two factor authentication codes

1:07:55

over text messages

1:07:56

the more information they have on you the

1:07:58

easier it makes their

1:08:00

the job imagine they had full access

1:08:02

your bank account and decided to turn for all the

1:08:04

money out but you're being cited

1:08:06

wait something doesn't seem right and they

1:08:08

challenge to the transfer and say it's just

1:08:11

to make sure it's you what's your birthday now

1:08:14

that one piece of data that you saw

1:08:16

was innocent to share publicly

1:08:18

could have been your savior if

1:08:20

you didn't posted to facebook i

1:08:23

hope you're convinced now to never

1:08:25

share your private and personal information

1:08:28

personal information public website i

1:08:30

think it should also be clear at this point that you

1:08:32

should never use the same passwords

1:08:34

on different web sites in fact

1:08:37

to emphasize this point i'm gonna play you

1:08:39

a song by results are back

1:09:22

your money

1:09:25

, the crime sale

1:09:28

your account and go

1:09:30

with what you call their sakes it this

1:09:33

group he didn't words records

1:09:35

qualcomm push me

1:09:38

curry her combat we should be and we just vaguely

1:09:40

gloves or com

1:09:41

hum spelled c o

1:09:43

m it's sort for community

1:09:46

and this is new to me back in my

1:09:48

day we called it the scene

1:09:51

now uses the community

1:09:54

it was called combo and and recall

1:09:56

ohms they're swimming home and a nurse

1:09:58

i was there some kirk on these robots

1:10:00

com there's the recent

1:10:03

the orders on twitch on people on

1:10:05

people but which is there's one been overcome

1:10:08

there's and process on info sec

1:10:10

car that's right up my alley

1:10:13

i had to ask him more about that the way

1:10:15

he says it is that there's some people and i t

1:10:17

security space who wanna be part of

1:10:19

in for sec twitter and respected as good

1:10:22

security researchers with also

1:10:24

wanna do things that are illegal or

1:10:26

unethical photos acting

1:10:28

like both an innocent white hats and

1:10:30

a cd black hats at the same time

1:10:33

the jazz

1:10:34

ryan phobia stevenson this

1:10:36

is a guy who reported a few bugs that he founded

1:10:38

telecom companies and was awarded

1:10:40

for it but then use those bugs

1:10:43

to grab the summer data from telecom

1:10:45

companies and sell them on underground markets

1:10:47

the guy was double dip and that sounds

1:10:50

like they're comes for every little area

1:10:52

of focus that people can make money online

1:10:55

the common thread and all this is

1:10:57

that are all unethical coms

1:10:59

and that's why i called them dirty

1:11:01

coms these are nasty communities

1:11:05

that's or for and if she's so

1:11:07

or every day in the news i'm seeing another

1:11:09

attack on and if tease such tease

1:11:12

so very scamming someone out of their

1:11:14

board their

1:11:16

or yeah , course or

1:11:18

a classic okay got

1:11:21

gone you've seen this you've seen is it

1:11:23

somebody from your com center

1:11:25

at that are conducting things

1:11:28

yeah i'm okay so is from the additional really

1:11:30

really says really really rich some

1:11:32

con ed mentioned the

1:11:34

individual were summers that are not in the current one

1:11:38

the in else you'll end up to is there's

1:11:40

a the notable gamecube i'm not

1:11:42

going to say my name but we

1:11:44

there's just people who literally go into sports someone

1:11:47

says they have their teeth their message from

1:11:49

the costs are links i

1:11:51

witnessed this first hand just

1:11:53

this week

1:11:54

i was in an nfc discord oh

1:11:57

and if you don't know what and of he is in this case

1:11:59

it's just digital art that you can buy and

1:12:01

sell and nice pieces of digital art

1:12:03

are going for like thousands of dollars each

1:12:06

and sometimes even hundreds of thousands of dollars

1:12:08

each discord i got a

1:12:10

direct message saying i was selected to

1:12:12

be on a presale list for one of these and

1:12:14

if he drops and i have to buy it now

1:12:17

of course i didn't click the link

1:12:19

someone in the channel did and the site

1:12:21

said in order to mint the nfc you just

1:12:23

need to connect your met him as crypto wallets and

1:12:25

enter your twenty four words seed phrase now

1:12:28

that twenty four word seed phrase

1:12:31

is not something you should ever

1:12:33

share adverse that's the

1:12:35

private password basically your crypt a

1:12:37

while and if you give someone that you basically

1:12:40

handed them control of your entire kept

1:12:42

a wallet but this person put

1:12:44

their seed phrase into the bogus website

1:12:47

and as soon as they did they seas

1:12:49

guy in their kept a while and took all

1:12:51

their valuable and if he's and sold

1:12:53

them for like half price

1:12:55

the thief made about forty thousand

1:12:57

dollars in syria i'm in

1:12:59

like five minutes it was absolutely

1:13:02

crazy to watch this person gets her account

1:13:04

drained right in front of my eyes

1:13:07

there was nothing that anyone could do to

1:13:09

stop

1:13:10

there's no shortage of stories of

1:13:12

people getting digitally mugged and their

1:13:14

crypto wallet stolen in and if he's

1:13:16

and i think the reason is because these crypt

1:13:19

a woeful tons of money and they're

1:13:21

just like browser add ons if

1:13:23

you connect your crypto while it's a the wrong site

1:13:25

it's game over and it's so easy

1:13:27

to connected to the wrong sites it's

1:13:29

kind of like of you have your bank account accessible

1:13:32

right in the browser as a plugin

1:13:35

and all the sites you're visiting all wanna

1:13:37

take a look at it

1:13:38

this is just the beginning almost every day

1:13:40

this happens there are so many scammers

1:13:42

trying to get access to people's crypto wallets

1:13:45

which might have crypto currency in it or

1:13:47

nfp and the scams are vast

1:13:50

and fast coming at you from every

1:13:52

angle if you play in the space for

1:13:54

instance another big scam i saw the other day

1:13:56

was when and nfp was just about to

1:13:58

launch their pride and on

1:14:00

launch day is a big day everyone who

1:14:02

wants to be part of it is ready to rise to

1:14:04

mint or tokens and hope that it goes

1:14:06

up in price so there's a frenzy in those

1:14:09

moments because there's a limited supply

1:14:11

and you don't want to be bought out the

1:14:13

already when people in a rush to buy

1:14:15

something the prone to make mistakes

1:14:18

typically eager buyers will be in the

1:14:20

discord chat room for that and as he to

1:14:22

watch what's going on there's a

1:14:24

whole slew of thing a second go wrong

1:14:26

with this first the owner

1:14:29

of the discord kinda hat

1:14:31

here's how that happens a lot of the credibility

1:14:33

through a friend of so it always goes

1:14:36

the remote my friend says that i'm

1:14:38

i should talk to you eventually

1:14:41

easily into sending some sort of file that

1:14:43

they can actually i'm discord token

1:14:45

log in with

1:14:46

if you use discord chances are you

1:14:48

don't enter your username and password every time

1:14:51

you visit the site or open the app that's

1:14:53

because once you are finicky there's a little

1:14:55

authentication token that exists on your

1:14:57

computer which keeps you logged in but

1:15:00

if you can just take the authentication token

1:15:03

can log in as a person without needing

1:15:05

a person education token

1:15:07

has all the stuff in there in

1:15:09

yeah if you can get someone to install your

1:15:11

malware the malware can still the token

1:15:15

hey so if you can access the moderators

1:15:17

account on a popular discord channel that's

1:15:19

about to launch and and as he and

1:15:22

you can make a ton of money

1:15:24

we need to do is copy the official website

1:15:26

of this and f t which is super easy and

1:15:28

make a similar looking you are all with like one

1:15:31

letter difference and change where

1:15:33

the money goes when someone buys the enter

1:15:35

key instead of going to the n f t maker

1:15:38

is now going to your wallet

1:15:40

so now all you need to do is direct people

1:15:42

to your page and since you're

1:15:45

a moderator you can post

1:15:47

a message to guns blazing was

1:15:49

recalled the message might read minting

1:15:51

is now live open to the public but hurry will

1:15:53

be closing in ten minutes some of these

1:15:55

discord channels have over fifty thousand people

1:15:57

when they're ready to buy and

1:15:59

can imagine

1:16:00

they're pretty dozen people see a message like this

1:16:02

that the project has gone live in they're ready to means

1:16:04

that they'll come flooding to the sides by

1:16:07

their and if he's seen it

1:16:09

happen over and over

1:16:11

the cameras are infecting discord

1:16:14

in are making over a hundred thousand

1:16:16

dollars in ten minutes doing

1:16:18

this

1:16:20

there are other scams that are going on

1:16:22

and discord to there is people who actually

1:16:24

boy out of jesus course if

1:16:26

you've only royce people

1:16:28

grow energy discords using on grocers

1:16:31

the gum they get like shuttle packages from people

1:16:33

in serum there are people

1:16:36

the grow them just as just exit

1:16:38

scam or does the southern to someone who exit scam

1:16:40

oh yeah i've seen this till if

1:16:43

you find an energy project that has honored

1:16:45

thousand followers on twitter and eighty thousand

1:16:47

members and discord you're gonna think that that's

1:16:49

a high end as t project and be more excited

1:16:51

about it but the numbers are all faked

1:16:54

it's a discord channel that was just bought last week

1:16:56

and a keen with eighty thousand members already in

1:16:58

it but they're all boss and , it

1:17:00

creates a false buzz about it and they launch

1:17:02

a project and people pay them and they get

1:17:04

nothing for it except for some cheap piece

1:17:07

of art that was made by someone on fiber fiber

1:17:10

just grab the money and leave again

1:17:12

a scam like this conference someone over one hundred

1:17:14

thousand dollars and done right but

1:17:17

these are certainly pretty involved

1:17:19

and complex scams it takes complex scams time

1:17:22

you have to build a website buying in a sea

1:17:24

server create all the artwork it's

1:17:26

not easy and takes some real for

1:17:28

nes then if that wasn't

1:17:30

enough and ft scams going around there's

1:17:32

also influence are scams happening they

1:17:35

did a reputable person to

1:17:37

be there apart there are these

1:17:39

rich people who are kept on for answers

1:17:41

convince people to forfeit his tricks

1:17:44

like their friends like the convinced her friends to fall

1:17:46

for an empty scams the person

1:17:48

setting them up as these millionaire sims walkers

1:17:50

as horrible thanks man you can't even trust your

1:17:52

friends and nfc land theme might be getting

1:17:54

paid by the scammers to scam you i've

1:17:57

dabbled a nice and of these and i'll tell

1:17:59

you

1:18:00

it's not for everyone is

1:18:02

fraught with land mines packers

1:18:04

thieves scammers criminals and so

1:18:06

much more the big reason why

1:18:08

so many people are in and of teases because they

1:18:11

can go up in value i've seen someone

1:18:13

buying and of see for two hundred dollars and

1:18:15

then sell it for twenty thousand dollars the

1:18:18

same day there are massive

1:18:20

games you can make from and if he's legally but

1:18:22

from watching the news in this space i'm willing

1:18:24

to bet that over a hundred thousand dollars worth of

1:18:26

and of teas are stolen or scammed

1:18:29

from someone every day

1:18:31

that's a real money that you can watch

1:18:33

the block chain and see the criminals cash

1:18:35

out and probably go buy luxury cars

1:18:38

with or something these j peg center

1:18:40

and of teas are extremely valuable which

1:18:42

is why thieves or so into it i

1:18:44

just want you to understand the end of teas

1:18:46

is a very big hustle were a lot of

1:18:49

real money is being stolen everyday

1:18:51

and it's making the people in these dirty

1:18:53

coms rich those people

1:18:56

those all from profit promotional tool

1:18:58

promotional tool little studio you receive

1:19:01

your comment do

1:19:02

why are you in naming people here have enormous

1:19:05

, all public names or okay oh

1:19:08

they've got these have enormous arrested they're

1:19:11

probably like the most famous himself as i've been or support

1:19:13

watch out okay joseph

1:19:16

james o'connor whatever okay

1:19:18

i'm gonna look up with these people dead

1:19:20

joe orgies was arrested for same

1:19:22

swapping effect he was the first ever person

1:19:25

to be convicted for same swapping

1:19:27

this is wild two thousand and

1:19:29

nineteen is the first time as

1:19:31

swap or was ever convicted

1:19:34

this is truly the definition of a modern

1:19:36

crime if only three years ago was the first

1:19:38

time anyone's ever been convicted of this the

1:19:41

jaw ortiz was twenty one from boston

1:19:44

and according to police he scammed forty people

1:19:46

and stole a total of seven million dollars

1:19:48

conducting swaps he was arrested

1:19:50

in got ten years in prison for this we

1:19:53

already talked about nicholas jugular he's

1:19:55

awaiting sentencing but you also mentioned

1:19:57

xavier clemente's this guy

1:19:59

was name the news old when he was arrested for same

1:20:01

swapping please say he stole over

1:20:03

one million dollars in crypto currencies there

1:20:06

is a plug walk joe james o'connor

1:20:09

he was twenty two living in the uk when

1:20:11

he was arrested for some swapping authority

1:20:13

say he stole over seven hundred thousand

1:20:15

dollars doing this

1:20:16

the was just goes on and on there's youssef

1:20:19

selassie a nineteen year old from brooklyn

1:20:21

who was arrested for stealing a million dollars and

1:20:23

crypto currency and there's a guy goes

1:20:25

by the nickname baby al capone he

1:20:27

still twenty million dollars and crypto currency

1:20:30

this guy was just fifteen years old when he was

1:20:32

arrested

1:20:33

there's two more guys are spend herod

1:20:35

and matthew dickman they're facing charges

1:20:37

for working together to do some swamp and still

1:20:39

some crypto and there's eric mags that

1:20:41

guy who's rested for some swapping he saw over

1:20:44

five hundred thousand dollars doing it's declan

1:20:46

harrington pled guilty to doing some swapping

1:20:48

attacks and of course seen zondervan

1:20:51

from episode one of six was arrested for

1:20:53

some swapping and currently he's making

1:20:55

five years in prison there's quite

1:20:57

a rose and twenty two year olds and the uk

1:20:59

who was accused of stealing one hundred bitcoins

1:21:01

as now facing prison time

1:21:04

by the way the items confiscated by the

1:21:06

police are incredible luxury watches

1:21:08

luxury cars and house apartments

1:21:11

these kids are blowing it as fast as a good

1:21:13

it's and almost all of them have gambling

1:21:15

addictions where they'll put some money and

1:21:17

and online casino in spin the wheel and try to

1:21:19

hit it even bigger and they kind of like showing

1:21:22

off what they're willing to wager during live

1:21:24

streams and stuff so that others can see how

1:21:26

much money they have it's nuts older

1:21:28

children channels

1:21:30

the actor we pull screenshots of their targets

1:21:32

in how much money is in them and that they just skim them

1:21:34

from doing sitcoms

1:21:37

you can confirm this because they will literally show

1:21:39

huge yes i use in there because most out

1:21:41

of millions of dollars the to

1:21:43

do thousand or two boys everyday there's

1:21:46

do ridiculously creating

1:21:48

the their money for their kids this list

1:21:50

goes on and on a lot of people are being

1:21:52

rested better under eighteen years old and

1:21:55

so we just never see their names in the news and

1:21:57

some of them get caught and are just forced

1:21:59

to give

1:22:00

the actor crypto currency or and of to use a

1:22:02

store and they just get a stern warning how

1:22:04

about you promise just blows

1:22:07

me away i had no idea

1:22:10

what this underground community looked like

1:22:12

before now but now i feel

1:22:14

like my eyes of adjusted i

1:22:16

can see in the dark do

1:22:18

you feel that way to i

1:22:21

feel like it's an all out war zones

1:22:23

on the internet right now yeah

1:22:25

every day we hear about another company getting hit

1:22:27

with ran somewhere or data breaches but

1:22:29

all that is nimby snow in

1:22:31

my backyard this is what

1:22:33

is in my backyard this is teenagers

1:22:36

targeting regular people and

1:22:38

their nicknames or no coincidence one

1:22:41

goes by baby al capone another goes

1:22:43

by billy the kid billy the kid

1:22:45

used to rob trains back trains the old

1:22:47

days he was days stickup people

1:22:50

in demand money from them then it seemed

1:22:52

like the same thing is going on here if

1:22:54

you make any mention that you have a lot of

1:22:56

crypto currency publicly you can

1:22:59

probably expect that someone's gonna wanna steal

1:23:01

their from you and it's not the most

1:23:03

easy thing in the world he keeps the if it's a really

1:23:05

tricky so if you're holding crypto

1:23:07

i strongly encourage you to not

1:23:09

put all your stuff and fun address

1:23:12

break it up in a different why it's because if something

1:23:14

is compromised you don't want to seeking the whole

1:23:17

piggy bank

1:23:18

phone companies should probably step

1:23:20

up their security it sounds like they're trying

1:23:22

to make it harder and that's why people are paying

1:23:24

ten thousand dollars per cent swamp city

1:23:27

but how can the eliminate this when there's insiders

1:23:30

who work as regional managers

1:23:32

who are in on the cut of this of

1:23:34

this the my get an equivalent to a whole years

1:23:37

with of salaries by helping a sense

1:23:39

whopper do a million dollar lick that

1:23:41

could be a whole thing to turn down

1:23:43

for someone who really needs the money and

1:23:46

, the answers not use them cards anymore and

1:23:48

just keep a wife i hotspot in your pocket at

1:23:50

all times and bouncer phone or sit when

1:23:52

you me because when i don't know exchanges

1:23:55

like coin base do base fairly good job at making

1:23:57

at hard for criminals to get into someone's account

1:24:00

in fact the exploit that drew said which that someone

1:24:02

check the balance of an account without to f a

1:24:04

i think coinbase reimbursed all the people who are

1:24:06

hit with that exploit and they continue

1:24:09

to improve but perhaps they should force everyone

1:24:11

to use google authenticator that would make

1:24:13

it harder for these people or maybe give

1:24:15

you the option to have a second password on the site

1:24:17

that's just for transfers problem

1:24:19

is the harder they make it for criminals to steal

1:24:22

stuff the harder they make it for users

1:24:24

to use the site so it becomes

1:24:26

a difficult balance the top of

1:24:28

that i'm positive north korea is

1:24:30

hitting coin base all the time trying

1:24:32

to find a hot wallet somewhere and

1:24:34

steel that really really have

1:24:36

really heavy load that they've gotta defend against

1:24:39

pressure right but it seems obvious

1:24:42

to me at least that even if you fix a few

1:24:44

of these problems these people in these dirty

1:24:46

coms just find another way to do

1:24:48

it and as the internet moves at the

1:24:50

speed it does software website

1:24:52

don't always put security first neither

1:24:55

some of the consequences for not doing that

1:24:58

and like like saying it's beginning as not

1:25:00

a lot of wisdom being passed down from generation

1:25:02

to generation on what the dangers of the internet

1:25:05

are whether it's for the users of

1:25:07

the sites or the teenagers trying to hack

1:25:09

into that i think it's gonna get

1:25:11

whereas before it gets better to my

1:25:13

even take forty more years before

1:25:15

we see a world where people go online

1:25:17

go online safe responsible manner the

1:25:19

users value their privacy and

1:25:21

security above all and know

1:25:24

not to install apps or by

1:25:26

devices that put your privacy and frisk

1:25:29

and have a strong understanding of the digital dangers

1:25:31

that are out there and do things to protect

1:25:33

themselves

1:25:35

that's why i thought this episode was important

1:25:37

for you to listen to now

1:25:39

you have a much clearer view into

1:25:41

why someone would target you and

1:25:43

how they do it when maybe

1:25:46

you've never even thought you were the target before this

1:25:48

is why things like a def con exist which

1:25:50

is a conference that hackers go to the so

1:25:52

off all the new ways they've learned how to hack into

1:25:54

things and a primary focus there is

1:25:56

to share offensive fucking techniques

1:25:59

and the new techniques as arguably

1:26:01

main security better because of people

1:26:03

don't share them then we don't know

1:26:06

their problem exists and he can do things

1:26:08

that have and against it the real criminals

1:26:10

and nation state actors do not share their

1:26:12

techniques publicly because they don't

1:26:14

want it fixed and we can't simply ignore

1:26:16

that and hope security problems somehow

1:26:19

magically get fixed my hope

1:26:21

is that now that you've heard all these

1:26:23

techniques that you will now take

1:26:25

your digital life more seriously than

1:26:27

you were before i imagine

1:26:30

a world where users were so well educated

1:26:32

on securities that they take it upon themselves

1:26:34

are overly secure their environments because

1:26:37

they've been hit too many times by bad

1:26:39

actors or would just taught properly

1:26:41

how to practice safe internet usage part

1:26:44

in the tv show mister robot or

1:26:46

elliott's a hacker goes into an office

1:26:49

building and he wants to use someone's computer and

1:26:51

he looks around to try to find a good person social

1:26:53

engineer to get them to stand up so he

1:26:55

can use their terminal and he sees an older

1:26:57

lady sniffing wideouts

1:27:00

anything's okay sorely an

1:27:02

older lady sniffing wideout would be

1:27:04

the perfect candidate to

1:27:06

convince to the elliot use her

1:27:08

computer

1:27:09

here's the thing i ,

1:27:12

henry for my teeth how

1:27:14

how tend to do using some unauthorized remote

1:27:17

access software to connected to

1:27:19

the was this home of home

1:27:23

don't worry i'm just gonna take a look at

1:27:25

your machine and perform an assessment make sure

1:27:28

you don't have an unauthorized just have sharing service

1:27:30

installed i'm gonna have i'm can harden

1:27:33

like and stuff further than the standard configuration

1:27:36

including a restrictive first including over

1:27:39

of lifting to block

1:27:41

unauthorized ask for money isn't

1:27:45

isn't that just beautiful

1:27:48

that lady knows her digital environment

1:27:50

so well and has taken so

1:27:52

many security precautions it

1:27:54

brings tears to my eyes imagine

1:27:57

a world where the average internet user is

1:27:59

that edge he did and serious about the digital

1:28:01

safety but it's going to take to take

1:28:04

time for us to get there sometimes

1:28:07

things need to break down before

1:28:09

they can breakthrough it's

1:28:12

a war zone out there be

1:28:14

careful be brave

1:28:17

amy in there you can do it take

1:28:20

your own digital security seriously practice

1:28:23

good digital hygiene good

1:28:26

luck dodging bullets

1:28:36

the big thing he did you for saying this inside

1:28:38

look to the various coms what's going

1:28:40

on in their shows , buy me

1:28:42

some safe jacqui saturday sound

1:28:45

is on in original music was created by the

1:28:47

reactivate or and you marry whether

1:28:49

editing help this episode by the sleeping

1:28:51

damien and are associate producer

1:28:53

suspects on the strip search pancakes

1:28:56

retirement ceremony is ray

1:28:58

redacted theme is because by the heat bringing

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freak master cylinder the one nice

1:29:02

thing about getting some swapped as you don't get any annoying

1:29:04

telemarketers anymore some signs

1:29:07

of so bad and nicer which is worse

1:29:09

enjoy this , diaries

1:29:14

i want to play for you the entire and for sexy

1:29:16

santi by rachel tobacco narrative

1:29:35

your it's isn't one

1:29:38

day when the crime as soon as

1:29:41

your account and go

1:29:59

nothing

1:30:21

all

1:30:28

the crimes the failure

1:30:31

account and go