Former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright reflects on her experience as a refugee and how it has shaped her views on America's role in the refugee crisis (or lack thereof). In this interview, Ravi and Grant dive into Madeleine’s Albright’s views on how humanitarian intervention has evolved, her disappointment in Aung San Suu Kyi over the treatment of the Rohingya, and the role of art in this dark political moment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices