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Welcome to the Emotional Mastery Podcast

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. I am your host , rochelle . I'm a holistic

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human design health coach and this is a space

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for human design and spiritual journey

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. It's not about being a master of

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your emotions , rather mastering the tools

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to self-regulate , to awakening yourself

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and remembering who you are . Human

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design changed my life about five years ago

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and I've been learning and teaching the system ever

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since . This podcast is human design

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meets spirituality , meets astrology . You

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don't have to have a belief system to be here , just

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an open mind and curiosity . This

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is a journey of meeting yourself and awakening

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let the magic begin . Welcome

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back to the Emotional Mastery Podcast

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. I am Rochelle , and today

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we're going to be talking about Pluto . I

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had planned on sort of doing

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the planets inner planets , outer planets

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but with everything going on . So the next

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one was going to be Saturn , but with

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everything going on , I wanted to

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dive real deep into Pluto and

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just kind of skip over all the rest and

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just go to Pluto

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. Especially , you know , yesterday

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was election day . Today I'm recording this is Wednesday , so

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tomorrow's Thursday , as this is released , there's

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a lot of energy going around , there's

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a lot of fear going around , there's

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a lot of anxiety going around , and so

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this aspect of your chart

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, you know , pluto is really really

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powerful . Pluto is really really potent , and I think

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you know Pluto is in Capricorn currently

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and moving into Aquarius on the 19th

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of this month , so this is the last

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little bit that Pluto is going to be in Capricorn

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in our lifetimes . It takes Pluto

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about 248 years to circle

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the zodiac , so you

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know , who knows , though , with Pluto

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moving into Aquarius , we might have some incredible

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leaps

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in medicine , because

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Aquarius is innovation

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, it's technology and it is , you know

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, all these things that are all these new devices

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and technology that are coming out around health

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. It's just , it's really aligned

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with the astrology , and so , yeah

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, we're just going to dive into the

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realm of Pluto and see how you

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can connect with Pluto in your chart . I

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have said it so many times on here , but I have such

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a Plutonic chart . I have what they call a Hades moon

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, which means my moon is square to Pluto . Pluto is in

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my fourth house , in Scorpio

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, and I have Jupiter in the eighth

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house , and so these are all Scorpionic , plutonic

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themes , and we'll really dive into that , but

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I've always really felt this death-rebirth

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cycle and

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call it an emotional wave , however you want to word it , on my moon . So this has always been

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a huge part of my experience . And somebody asked me yesterday

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. I was on a podcast interview and they were talking

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about my relationship with

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my emotions and I

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can't remember specifically what the question was , but it really

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related to my emotions and I

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guess why I really talk about

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that and it's been a marking

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factor of my life . When I look back , it's always

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always been emotions and the

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best thing I did for myself was to understand

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how to regulate , to zoom out , to

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know that this is just a sensation , I

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don't have to attach the narrative of my mind . And

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so emotions have been huge and I think , because

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I have this Pluto influence really

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intense Pluto influence on my

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emotions has really intensified what

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I felt . And so feeling emotions have

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always , always been a lesson

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in my life and why I speak to it , why I teach

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it , why I really dive into it . And

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this specific Scorpio season you

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know Scorpio is usually pretty intense for

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me because I have Pluto and Scorpio in my fourth

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house and it really brings up a lot of different things . But

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this season I don't know this just feels different . I think

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it's because I've been diving into shadow a little bit

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differently over the last year or so

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, like

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really this full embodiment of surrender to it and not resisting it anymore . Because I think you

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know , we don't want to feel bad , we don't want to feel the anxiety , and so

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often we resist it , we push it away and we swear

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we're going to change and this , that and the other thing . But like what

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if you just sat with it and I think that's the realization

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I've come to over the last , however long where

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when something comes up , instead of shoving it away

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and trying to like avoid it or be like no

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, no , you know this is not happening Just

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sitting with it . And you know we have things

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that we don't want to face about ourself . We have things

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, you know , intrusive thoughts , dark thoughts

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. It's just part of who we are . We

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don't have to act on those things , but

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it is part of our nature . Right , where there's lightness , there is

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dark . Where there's love , there is hate . Where there's joy , there

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is sadness . It's this polarity . And

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another thing that came up on the podcast interview yesterday , as

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I was , they were asking about my chart and kind

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of going into depth , going into

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detail about my chart . You

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know astrology and human design and

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she had said she was like . You know , it's really interesting . Your

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chart holds a lot of oppositions , a

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lot of opposing energy , a lot of polarity , and

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I've always felt that in my life and it can be really confusing

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because I hold both energies

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really in a lot of the aspects of my chart

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. Right Like Taurus , sun , leo , moon , earth

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and fire are opposing energies

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. Right Like Earth and water go together , fire and air

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go together , but Earth and water sorry

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, earth and fire and air and water

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are sort of these opposite

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elements . They're more challenging elements to get

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together . And then I have the six three profile

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in human design . I just there's a lot to

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it and it's sort of been , you

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know , it's been

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a part of my , my life and my journey and

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I had to get to the point where I could realize I

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can hold both and it's not either , or it's both . Realize I

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can hold both and it's not either , or it's both . And I can hold

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both opposing energies

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, I can use those to

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better myself and to accept

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myself and to be myself . And that's such a beautiful for

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me , that was such a beautiful realization where it's like through

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this , when you look from your big three right

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, like your sun , moon and rising , it's like through that

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Leo energy , through

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being , you know , bold , or

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through speaking my voice , or

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through just that dramatic

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kind of like see me , leo energy

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that will allow me then to settle

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in to my Taurus energy , you

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know . And so it's really this beautiful thing . That's

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why , you know , human design and astrology is so holistic

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, because it's not just one piece to it . When you have to , you

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have to look at the whole and everything that goes

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along with it . So , with all of that being

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said , let's dive into Pluto . Right , pluto

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is the planet of transformation

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, power , death , rebirth

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right , it's everything that's in the shadows . So

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this also , you know , pluto is the planet

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of the underworld , the

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hidden parts of our psyche . So our subconscious

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, right , this is where we store our deepest fears

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, but also the greatest potential for your

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rebirth . So , if you're interested in understanding your inner

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power and transformation

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, pluto is the way that we can get there through

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our chart , right . And so , when

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you look at Pluto and

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the underworld , so we're just looking at mythology , right

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and

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the underworld , so we're just looking at mythology right , pluto is a planet of transformation

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and it's really deep and it's slow and it's

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intense , right , and it's really challenging . Pluto

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enters our lives . It really digs up what

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we've hidden and especially aspects

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of ourselves that we'd rather not like see

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, right ? So Pluto holds the

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energy , pluto holds the memory of

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, like trauma , past traumas that sometimes our

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conscious mind isn't ready to face , and it will hold

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that until you're ready to see it . And

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this is typically like whenever Pluto has

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a transit that impacts your

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chart specifically . It sort of makes it uncomfortable

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, so that you have to face these things and you have to move

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through these things , right ? So think of , like that

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underworld in mythology . This is a place

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where you know all the dark hidden

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fears and desires and wounds . They all

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live there , right ? And so when you think of the mythology

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, like Pluto , hades

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basically stole Persephone from

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the like , from the world

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, and brought her down to Hades , brought

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her down to to hell

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, basically , hades and her

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mother , mother Gaia , right , mother Nature

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was just distraught , was so upset , and

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just this is why we have , like , these different seasons

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right , nothing grew in the winter . Right , nothing

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grew when Persephone was not there . And

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so you know , there are

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so many different versions of the story . Some

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are very I guess the word

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grotesque is coming to my mind , but really dark Right

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. And then you have just like the overview

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of the story where you know he

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basically captured her Right and

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made her his queen , like kind of forced her into being

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his queen . And then you

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know her mother begged

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Zeus to return her back

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to Earth and they

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made this deal where he agreed that she

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would come back to Earth but she would have to spend some time in Hades

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and she ate a pomegranate , which is

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why Pluto it rules

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pomegranates , it rules psilocybin mushrooms

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, these types of things from herbalism

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perspective , but she ate the

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pomegranates before she went . So then she was

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forced to come back for six months out of the

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year . So if you think about the seasons

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, right when Persephone was returned

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to Earth , that spring and summer where

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her mother was able to rejoice and

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be happy , and then when she's in Hades , she

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then it's , you know , fall and winter . Things

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are dying and it's just a natural

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part of life , like death and rebirth , and it can be literal

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, but it doesn't have to be literal right , when

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we think of the seasons , I mean plants , things have to die in order to be reborn , and

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so , again , that's really about the ego and stuff

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, and so it can be applied to

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the ego is what I meant . So in astrology , pluto is

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associated with Scorpio . It rules Scorpio , as

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well as Mars , and it rules the

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eighth house . So these

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you know , it's all about going beneath the surface

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, uncovering mysteries

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, confronting taboos . So , whether

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it's fear , control , death , rebirth

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, pluto really wants us to look at

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these things . We can also

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think about Pluto as like our shadow self , right

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? So this is like Carl Jung , who talks

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about this , the shadow . It's parts of ourselves that

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we repress or avoid . So this is our

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underworld , our deep subconscious

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. So if we're willing to face our

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shadow , pluto really , really offers us the potential

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for healing . That's why it is transformation

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. It is known as transformation . So if

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on the same coin , on the opposite side

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of the same coin , two sides of the same coin , whatever term I'm

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trying to say , right , if we resist Pluto

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, it can feel really destructive . I'm

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trying to say , right , if we resist Pluto , it can feel really destructive . So it's going to bring up the

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same thing over and over and over and over again until we deal with them

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. That's why Pluto is also known

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a little bit . I know . We know that Saturn is

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the planet of karma , but Pluto also holds a lot

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of karma , right . This is really going to reveal those

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patterns that persist , that keep showing

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up until we transform . And

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you know , if you're on this personal development journey

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, like we know that , like things are going to show

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up in a different way , a different form , until we learn that

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lesson and so that Pluto really holds

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a part of that right . Pluto

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is really again these aspects of ourself that we suppress

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. We need to gain awareness

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, you know , and that pressure of it . When it's when

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there's a transiting aspect of Pluto that hits

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our chart , it's going to come up right . So

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let's look at Pluto in your

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natal chart , right , because where it is is

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where you'll experience this transformation and

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, of course , this pain and possibly trauma and all

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those things it represents

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your relationship to power and control

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, regeneration , and so when you

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understand the area of life that Pluto

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is influencing , you can really begin to see where

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you'll face some of your biggest challenges and

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your biggest growth opportunities . So

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the house placement is really important as well . So Pluto

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is a generational planet , so

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it's gonna , you know it's not like you're

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the only one on that day or whatever that's born

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with it . It is a generational planet . Now

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what makes it unique is the way it's aspected

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in your chart , the house that it's in , and

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so it really operates differently in different

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houses . So , like in the fourth house

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, I have Pluto in my fourth house , right . It really

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challenges you to face

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family patterns and ancestral wounds , and

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this was really powerful because I

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understood , once I

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really dug in and learned , what Pluto in the first

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house meant . I could then

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understand why I viewed from

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the lens that I do . Right , it doesn't

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mean that my immediate family

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has so much trauma held in it , but

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likely maybe ancestral trauma , things that have

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been passed down that haven't been dealt with . But also , pluto

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in the fourth house just gives the lens

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I'm viewing through this lens

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right of what that means

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. So in a you know maybe in the

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seventh house , right , it's really then influencing

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your relationships and bringing transformative

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or even calling in karmic partners

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that will help you heal the area of your life . Right In

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the 10th house , it really brings transformation

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to your career , your public life , and

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there's always an element of discomfort when it comes

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to this because it is challenging you

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. Right , it's holding karma and it is challenging you . So

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each house really holds

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a different energy , a different area of life

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where you might experience like control , power struggles

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and , again , healing , so it can feel really

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intense , but , again , like

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the goal is to heal and evolve in

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these areas of your life , and

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Pluto takes about 12

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to 30 years . It really really depends . Each

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sign is different but it takes about 12 to 30

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years to move through each sign , meaning

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that it influences like the entire

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generation . We're going to go through a little bit

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in actually we'll just do it

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now what each , each sign

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means , but it's

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usually , again , generational themes tied to power

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, growth and transformation . So

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if we're looking at each , you

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know again it takes 248 years . So kind

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of starting from , let's start from Leo , which was 1939

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, kind of like just going back to that . So Pluto was

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in Leo in 1939 to 1958

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. This is like the me

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generation I'm air quoting it . Themes

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that would come up with Pluto and Leo are

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themes of self-expression , power

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, legacy , right . This was a time marked

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by innovation and rebellion and leadership and

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societal roles . If we're looking back at history

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and that moves into Pluto and Virgo

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, this is the self-improvement generation , right

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, this was 1956 to 1972

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, focused on health service , critical analysis

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and this has also really

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witnessed some cultural shifts in wellness , work and

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environmental awareness during this time , because , of

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course , with anything there's the opposition . So Virgo holds

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some of the energy of Pisces

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as well , right , pluto or sorry , leo

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holds the energy of Aquarius . Then Libra

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, which was 1971 to 1984

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, it is going to hold some of the energy of Aries , because

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in order to really embody that energy

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, we have to go through the opposite . And

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so this was the relationship generation , right . Redefining

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partnerships , marriages , equality . This

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was really marked by social justice

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movements and shifts in interpersonal

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dynamics . And then Pluto and Scorpio

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, which is what I am a generation of 1983

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to 1995 . This was

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the transformational generation . Pluto rules

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, scorpio right . So a lot of

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us were interested in psychology , the occult

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. We experienced really

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deep and sometimes painful collective shifts

14:42

around sexuality , death , rebirth . And

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then Pluto and Sagittarius , 1995

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to 2008 . This is the expansion

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generation , driven by their desire

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for freedom , adventure and meaning

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. Right . This generation really

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witnessed the globalization and radical shifts in

14:58

technology , knowledge and cultural

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expansion . Pluto and Capricorn , which

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is both my kids , 2008 to 2023

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, this is the authority generation , right

15:07

. They focus on power structures , tradition

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, institutions and

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they , as most of us did , really saw

15:13

transformations in government finance and corporate

15:16

structures , right , as well as the rise in , like

15:18

, collective responsibility . And then Pluto and

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Aquarius , which is where we're heading 2023

15:22

to 2043 . So

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the 19th when it goes into Aquarius

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, it will be there until , basically , for four years , for

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four years , for 20 years , because

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it will it'll dip back in . So 2043

15:34

is when it moves into Pisces , but then it'll

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kind of dip back into Aquarius a

15:39

couple times , just like it has done over the last year . So

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this is the revolution generation , right , this is

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collective transformation through technology

15:45

, social reforms and freedom . So

15:48

this generation will likely push boundaries on

15:50

individuality , innovation and really

15:52

redefine that collective identity

15:55

and I think we're seeing that already . So

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that's sort of an overview of Pluto

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and the signs that we have seen it in so

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far that we have seen it in so far . So Pluto transits

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right , this is a transformation in

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action , right ? So

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when we're looking through the transits and seeing how it impacts us again remember when the

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transits impact your chart specifically you're going to feel that pressure , like personally , for

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me , pluto has been square my nodes

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for a while and I really , really feel

16:22

that pressure . And as Pluto moves through Aquarius

16:24

, it's going to be opposite my moon , which

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I'm already anticipating to be a little bit intense . But

16:29

I already have moon

16:31

, square , pluto , so I feel that intensity inside , the

16:33

difference between squares and oppositions , they're both kind

16:35

of more challenging . Squares are internal challenges

16:37

that we need to like act on right . We need

16:39

to like take action to change or to move

16:42

through . Oppositions are more challenging

16:44

energies that we're going to witness from outside of us , right

16:46

. So Pluto , again , it's really

16:48

slow moving . So when it has transits , they're

16:50

long lasting periods right , they're long

16:52

lasting transits , and

16:54

so that's why it's so significant

16:56

when it aspects things in your chart

16:58

, because it's not going to be like two days and it's

17:01

over . Right , they often last several years

17:03

. So this is really creating the opportunity

17:05

for deep transformational work and

17:07

I think a lot of the things that I'm currently moving through , like

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the Scorpio season , it's been really intense , but the

17:12

ability to sort of like lean into the shadow as opposed

17:14

to like stopping it is because it's been pressure on

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my nodes for so long . It's not

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letting me avoid that

17:21

. You know , people-pleasing like

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Libra , and it's making it so uncomfortable where I'm like I really constantly

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have to check in myself . Am I people-pleasing like Libra and it's making it so uncomfortable , where

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I'm like I really constantly have to check in myself Am I being ? Am I people-pleasing right now ? Am

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I being codependent , like and it's also

17:31

making the qualities of Aries

17:34

a little bit uncomfortable , right , where it's like that leadership , it's

17:36

like I see the areas where I feel so

17:38

much discomfort there and I have to really push through them

17:40

. It's forcing me to do that right . So

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again , for example , like when Pluto transits your natal moon

17:44

which for me it will soon , right

17:47

, but you may find your emotional life is really

17:49

really impacted , right , this could be a period

17:51

of emotional release . This could be really

17:53

healing past traumas , facing deep

17:55

fears , right , because Pluto will

17:57

bring up what has been repressed . So , whether

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that's in the area of emotions , relationships

18:02

, self-perception , right , wherever it is

18:04

. So , for this one , aquarius for me

18:06

is in my seventh house and

18:09

Leo , my moon , is in my first house . So

18:11

this is really going to be putting

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pressure on my relationships and my sense , my

18:16

personal identity , my sense of self and how I show up in

18:18

there , right . So this is going to be really uncomfortable

18:21

. But also , I sort

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of get excited for those things now because I'm like it's

18:26

really there for the opportunity to transform and

18:28

I think that when we can see it like that , it

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helps us really move through it . One

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major transit many of us will experience is

18:35

going to be Pluto square Pluto which usually happens

18:37

in your late 30s , and

18:40

this can really feel like intense

18:42

confrontation with the self

18:44

. So that's also going to be

18:46

happening to me . That's actually kind

18:49

of getting close to being squared right now . Yeah

18:53

, because my Pluto is at five degrees of

18:56

Scorpio and so once Pluto

18:58

hits five degrees of Aquarius , it's going to be squared and it's

19:00

still within the realm right now . So that's

19:02

really challenging . So I can definitely relate

19:04

and I really just just now realized

19:06

that that was happening to me . But again , this can feel

19:08

like really intense confrontation with the self , right

19:11

, it's really calling us to break free from our

19:13

patterns that we've lived in for decades and

19:15

I'm like literally the aha , like the

19:18

bells , the light bulbs are going off right now

19:20

, like so crazy of what I've been experiencing

19:22

with this in my own personal life and it's going

19:25

to get more intense as it like directly

19:27

squares . But yeah

19:29

, this might be something for a whole other podcast episode

19:31

, but again like super challenging , right , and

19:34

but they're also again , they're also allowing us

19:36

to reclaim our personal power and remember

19:38

squares are challenging aspects that

19:40

we're being called to take action on

19:42

. So creating awareness , doing

19:45

the work , facing the shadows . And then how can

19:47

you change it ? Because , just like anything , if

19:49

we're not changing it , we're choosing it . If

19:51

we're not changing it , it's going to continue to

19:53

show up over and over in different ways

19:55

until we actually claim it

19:57

and change it Right . And

20:00

so I mean I love journaling

20:03

, you know and I . Something I posted

20:05

on Instagram was inspiring , keeping

20:08

your daily life inspired . And so what I mean

20:10

by this is , like I am very

20:12

clear on the life that I want to live , right , I've journaled

20:14

on it . I have this picture of this image

20:16

in my mind , like I know , I know what is

20:18

available to me , I know what I'm going to embody , I

20:20

know what I'm going to be , and so it would

20:22

be so easy to just write that down once and go

20:24

through my day and like not think about it , right

20:27

, but instead , like I choose to inspire myself

20:29

through podcasts , through YouTube

20:31

videos , through audio books , like

20:33

through things that I'm constantly consuming

20:35

, to keep me tapped into that image

20:38

, that visual , that dream , keep me tapped

20:40

into source , just keep me tapped into

20:42

that energetic frequency of what

20:44

I'm going to call in . So that's what

20:47

I constantly do during my day . Of course , I have moments

20:49

, ebbs and flows , like I have sometimes , like

20:51

the summer , when I've just completely gone down

20:53

the rabbit hole of , like fantasy , romantic books , like

20:55

I love it , right , and that's really sparking

20:58

my creativity again . So I really really appreciate that

21:00

. But also making sure I'm

21:02

finding time to read other things and to infuse

21:04

other things in my life so that I am continuing

21:06

to be inspired

21:08

and I'm continuing to bring these

21:10

things into my life . Right , I'm

21:13

just gonna turn my page here , cause I took notes and I want

21:15

to make sure I'm not missing anything as we're moving through this . Um

21:18

, yeah

21:20

, so one thing that I did write down too is like where pluto

21:22

um , where pluto is might hold

21:25

confusion . We , we know it's going to hold pain , but it might

21:27

hold some confusion and pain . And

21:29

then this is a quote that

21:31

I'm not sure what book it was from . I think

21:34

it's from the book of pl by Stephen Forrest

21:36

. I could be incorrect , but it says

21:38

a descent into the dark must proceed

21:41

an ascent into the light . I

21:43

will read that one more time A descent

21:45

into the dark must proceed

21:47

, an ascent into the light . So

21:49

we have to face the darkness in order to

21:51

come into the light , right , so

21:53

okay , so we've kind of talked about

21:55

and identified Pluto in your chart transiting

21:57

Pluto , how that will impact you , how Pluto

22:00

shows up . I mean , it's just Pluto

22:02

. There's so much depth to

22:04

it , like I mean , I love it , I love that depth

22:06

, but it can be really challenging , especially

22:08

if we don't want to face it , right . But here are

22:11

some tools , right , here are some ways that

22:13

you can work with the energy . What

22:15

I've really been doing for myself is again

22:17

stopping to , stop resisting

22:19

it , because for so long I was , I would . My

22:22

internal narrative was like no , don't think that

22:24

, don't feel like that , right , and so I had to stop

22:26

that and be like okay , so I'm

22:28

feeling this , I'm thinking this and I'll

22:30

journal . If it's a thought , I'll journal on it . Um

22:33

, kind of prove myself wrong a little

22:35

bit . Or rather like kind

22:37

of come at it with compassion too , so I'll

22:39

question it . Okay , do I know that this is true

22:41

? Why do I think this ? What is the worst case

22:43

scenario ? What is likely to happen ? Just sort of like these

22:46

poking holes sort of on the narrative

22:48

and then also holding myself

22:50

a little bit where it's like okay , do

22:52

I like this thought ? No , but

22:55

can I love it as well ? Because I love myself and

22:57

this is a piece of me . Right , I'm reading

22:59

a book Phantasma it's a really dark

23:01

fantasy book , I

23:03

guess and she has what

23:05

she calls the shadow voice , and it's basically

23:07

intrusive thoughts . It's this voice in her head that's constantly

23:09

telling her to do these horrific things , and

23:12

so it tells her

23:14

she has to knock on things , she has to say things , like in

23:16

order to stop the voice , like it'll only stop when she like

23:18

does these things . And so somebody is witnessing

23:20

her in this moment of like panic , where she's

23:22

knocking on things and she's saying things , and he's like what's

23:24

happening ? And she's like it's just , it's the voice

23:26

in my head , right , it's the shadow voice . And he's like

23:28

what is the shadow voice ? And

23:36

I thought it was so beautiful and so scorpionic and so plutonic . Right , because we all have it . We

23:38

all have parts of ourselves inside that we don't want to face

23:40

. To walk around and act like we're perfect

23:42

and we have no shadow is bullshit , like it's not possible

23:44

. We all hold it . Just look around the

23:46

world , right , like we are

23:49

all fragments of each other . We are all mirrors of each other

23:51

and we all hold the energy of shadow . We all hold the

23:53

energy of shadow , we all hold

23:55

the energy of darkness , and to deny

23:57

that further suppresses it . And

24:00

it's like , when we look

24:02

around at society , I think the things that are the

24:04

most taboo are the things that we most

24:06

suppress and that's why they become dangerous

24:09

. It's not because the thing in itself is

24:11

dangerous . It's because it's so suppressed that

24:13

, in order to act it out or in order , it's

24:16

like , our desire for it has increased

24:18

so much . It's like . It's like if I put

24:20

a lollipop in the kitchen and I told my kids you can't touch

24:22

that and I just left it there , like

24:25

100% they're going to

24:27

eat it , but they're going to feel bad about it . Right , they're going

24:29

to try and hide it , as opposed to just like leaving

24:31

a lollipop out there and like being like okay , it's bad

24:33

for you , but if you want to have it , have it right , then they

24:35

would just eat it and like move on , or maybe they wouldn't even eat it

24:37

. It's the it creates this desire

24:39

for it . That wouldn't have been there

24:41

had it not , and I think that's sort of like cheating right

24:43

, like when we put

24:46

this like no , like we need to be monogamous

24:48

and there's no cheating allowed , or we have no grace for people

24:51

who slip up , or whatever it's like . I

24:53

think half of cheating is the no

24:57

factor , like it's off limits , it's not allowed

24:59

, which then creates this rush , almost this like

25:01

taboo Right . And I think that

25:03

if we and I'm

25:06

going to say this and I'm a Taurus sun

25:08

and a Scorpio earth , so I'm

25:10

really jealous and possessive , so like I get it , but

25:12

like if we almost made it like not

25:15

that big of a deal , the

25:17

drive and the desire for it would be less right If

25:19

you're with a partner who is not really

25:21

jealous or controlling or possessive , like your desire

25:24

like to be

25:26

with somebody else or like to get something from somebody else

25:28

wouldn't be that intense , so

25:31

anyway . So that was a little bit of a side note , okay

25:34

, so back to tools , to working with

25:36

the Pluto in your chart . So

25:38

shadow work , journaling , right , this is really really

25:40

helpful . Like I said , scorpio

25:43

season I knew I was going to be doing some shadow work , so

25:45

I've really really been identifying my shadows when

25:47

I'm moving through , like noticing when in my body

25:49

I'm feeling and just like kind of sitting with it . So

25:52

you can ask yourself , like what fears am I

25:54

avoiding ? Where in my life am I giving

25:56

away my power , right ? So

26:02

if you can like bring these up and like invite them to the table , pluto will really face these parts

26:04

and eventually release them . Right . So it's like when you have awareness

26:06

of something , it lessens its hold on you . So

26:08

, instead of like , if you have that shadow sort of like

26:10

creeping up , instead of being like

26:12

no , go back down there If you're like , okay , what do you need

26:15

? Right , like it all of a sudden is disarmed

26:17

a little bit and you'll end up moving through

26:19

it . Meditation and visual visualization

26:21

is really helpful , as you can find like guided , guided

26:28

visualizations or guided meditations right To like really meet

26:30

and integrate your shadow . To be magnetic has some amazing ones

26:32

. Insight timer has so many

26:34

meditations and visualizations you can go through there , right

26:36

, or you can even just like . I

26:39

went to like energy workers once

26:41

and they were like there's something you

26:44

know . They were just like doing energy work . They're

26:46

at my body and they kind of stopped at my heart space and they were like there's

26:48

like a door locked in here and I was like , yeah , there is and they're

26:51

like , do you want to open it ? And I was like not really at the time this

26:53

was years ago Right , it was like not really , cause there's , there's

26:55

, I could feel it . Right , I could feel the energy

26:57

there . And since I've like slowly kind of opened that

26:59

up and like seen what's really in there . But if

27:01

you can just imagine yourself maybe on the other side of a door

27:04

right , like descending into like a safe

27:06

, create , a safe space

27:12

, but a safe dark space where that you can coming

27:14

in right and then just like imagine integrating

27:16

these parts . I think one of the beautiful pieces

27:19

of the shadow work DI

27:21

within tuba magnetic is like going

27:24

down , collecting your shadow part , coming

27:26

up and then facing your highest self and

27:28

your shadow self and just letting them merge together

27:30

. Because that's what we are right . Breathwork

27:33

, grounding practices these are just really great for , like emotional

27:35

regulation , no-transcript

27:42

regulate that , so you're not always

27:44

taken away with it . It can help you

27:46

process and release emotions . Also , eft tapping

27:48

has been one I've really really been diving into because

27:51

you can do oh my gosh , brad Yates

27:53

I believe his name Tap Daddy is what they call him

27:55

on YouTube . He's got so

27:58

many different ones , like five minute tapping

28:00

. It's super easy , it touches on all your meridian points

28:02

. It just really is a really beautiful practice

28:04

. So I try and do that before I leave the house in the morning . Just do

28:06

a real quick like I'll just whatever if I'm feeling anxiety

28:09

, if I want abundance , if I'm feeling

28:11

stressed , if I'm overthinking , literally type anything

28:13

into youtube , like eft tapping for

28:16

, and I promise you he's got a video in there and

28:18

they're usually pretty short , and so it just

28:20

allows you to tap in and ground in before

28:22

, like , I leave the house . And then

28:24

, of course , like , like therapy is

28:26

really helpful , it'll really help . You know , guided

28:29

with somebody can bring

28:31

some themes and understanding

28:33

to like childhood trauma , unconscious mind

28:36

right , and so that can be really really

28:38

helpful as well . And , of course , pluto in

28:40

Scorpio generation is like most of us do

28:42

that . So like , even as I'm , you

28:44

know , like focused on

28:46

astrology . I focus on psychological astrology

28:48

because I find it fascinating the way that we perceive ourself right

28:50

and focusing on somatic work

28:52

and moving through all this and healing . That's very

28:54

Pluto and Scorpio . So

28:57

again , just to wrap up this

28:59

episode and how you can really

29:01

start to work with Pluto in your chart

29:03

, what I love to do . When I'm working

29:06

with any aspect in my chart , I just take

29:08

a fresh page of my notebook and I write it down . So

29:10

, pluto , for me it's five degrees

29:12

of Scorpio , in the fourth house . So I'll

29:14

write that down and then I Google it . Or I

29:16

have so many books , but you can Google it right . Just Google

29:19

Pluto in the fourth house , write down everything that resonates

29:21

, or whatever house it is for you , right , pluto at

29:23

five degrees . Write down everything that resonates . Pluto

29:26

in Scorpio write down everything that resonates and

29:28

sit with it . Really sit with it , right . But again

29:31

, identify Pluto's house . So this is

29:33

the area of life that transformation

29:35

is happening , where

29:40

you're likely going to face that pain , that confusion , your deepest fears . Right and like , reflect

29:43

on where that power and control or loss , right , like , reflect where those

29:45

themes have come up in this area of life . Then

29:52

next you want to look at Pluto's aspects . So if you pull your chart from astrocom , there are listed

29:54

. There's like a box thing on the bottom that lists your aspects

29:56

, but an easier one . If you're not very

29:59

, if you're like reading

30:01

astrology isn't necessarily your thing , you

30:03

can go . There's so many websites but , like time passages

30:05

will literally list them out . So it will say

30:07

like Pluto . So you can look for Pluto , pluto square

30:09

, this , Pluto trine , this , like

30:15

whatever . So again like , look for any major aspects that Pluto makes to your personal

30:17

planets right in your chart . If it's , it could also be conjunct some outer planets . So just

30:19

like , look for that . But like hard aspects again , like squares

30:21

and oppositions often point to areas

30:24

of tension , growth and

30:26

then trans and sex styles are more

30:28

harmonious energy . So

30:30

this is where you can naturally work with Pluto . So

30:32

, again , write down anything that resonates right

30:35

. Observe Pluto transits . See

30:37

if anything is happening right now in the transits

30:40

that's really impacting you and what you're moving through

30:42

. Right , because these are slow moving . So over years

30:44

it can really bring like life changes

30:46

and opportunities for this healing work

30:49

. Engage in shadow work . Remember you're safe

30:51

, make sure it's a safe space . But journaling , meditation

30:53

, visualization , sort of anything that we went

30:55

through to really connect with those parts of yourself

30:57

that maybe you would usually avoid . So

31:00

ask yourself again where you can just be honest about

31:02

it and then where you can take power over these

31:04

areas . And then patience , right , like

31:07

about it , and then where you can take power over these areas . And then patience , right , like this work

31:09

is slow , it's really really slow . Pluto moves slow , but it is so profound

31:11

, right , give yourself time to integrate and

31:13

then really be gentle with yourself during

31:15

these shifts . And , of course , if

31:17

you are really wanting to do a deep dive into

31:19

this , you can book a session and we can really

31:21

go over in detail . You know what Pluto

31:24

means in your charts . All the links are down the show notes

31:26

. I don't currently have a

31:28

schedule or up , so just send me a DM

31:30

and we'll book something . Actually

31:33

might make a request form

31:35

, so check out checking the show notes for that . But

31:38

again , like , yeah , this is , it's really

31:40

powerful , it's transformative , this energy

31:42

. So I thank you so much

31:44

for diving into Pluto with me . Right

31:46

, and again , it's not about fixing

31:49

or controlling . Really it's about surrendering

31:51

and allowing . So allow yourself to

31:53

grow , allow yourself to face the pain

31:56

, find ways to regulate yourself , whether that's through therapy

31:58

, grounding , whatever works to help regulate

32:00

your emotions as you go through this . Because , again

32:02

, like , pluto holds really really deep stuff

32:04

. Right , and the

32:07

last thing I'll say is , like Mars and Pluto , both real Scorpio

32:09

and the difference really is that Mars , because

32:11

right now we have this Mars Pluto opposition in the

32:13

transits , which is really , really intense . But

32:15

, like Mars is sort of that like fiery , quick , immature

32:18

, um , expression of our anger , right , it's

32:20

just like it's something happens . It's reactionary , it's reacting

32:22

in the moment , it's like frustration , whereas

32:25

Pluto is like things that have been brewing

32:27

and boiling and it's like really

32:29

deep , deep inside and it's been , it's

32:32

been wanting to come to the surface . So it's very different

32:34

energy , right , you kind of have that quick

32:36

, fast reaction and then Pluto is

32:38

like all the secrets , all the things

32:40

that you haven't quite said yet , and it's just coming

32:42

up and it's feeling really intense . So that's the difference

32:44

between these two . But that's

32:47

Pluto . So I hope this episode really helped

32:49

you , especially during Scorpio season . Move through this

32:52

and understand Pluto in your chart a little

32:54

bit and kind of empower you more when

32:56

it comes to the energy of Pluto , because it's

32:59

not supposed to be scary or

33:01

it doesn't have to be scary , I'll say that , right

33:03

, it can be really helps you . It

33:05

is transformation and so allowing yourself to be

33:08

transformed by it but again

33:11

, thank you so much for listening Um , and

33:13

all the ways that you can work with me , all

33:15

the things that you need to know are down in the show notes holistic

33:17

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33:20

. I haven't set a date , but you will definitely

33:22

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33:24

. Again , I'll drop a link so you can join the

33:26

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33:29

that is yeah . You can find me on Instagram

33:31

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33:34

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33:36

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33:38

can find my sub stack . Read my posts . All the things

33:40

are down in the show notes . I thank you so much

33:42

for listening , as always

33:44

. Love you .