I have to say straight out that I'm not interested in beauty products or beauty talk at all but DESPITE that, I still listened to this entire episode because Kim's laugh, and both Tally and Kim's commentary is the good stuff I need when I'm baffled by pandemic life and have a build up of 40-something rage. I can't give a rating but I can say the takeaway tip (***SPOILER***) is buy Burt's Bees lip balm.