On this episode from @ewbpod, Mahlon (@SuperMahrio) and Adrian (@adrian_rollins - twitter // @adrian.rollins - instagram) reflect on Adrian's dual-career life; first as a professional cricketer and then as a highly regarded leader in education.

Adrian's familial links to both sports and education give a good window into understanding how he entered both professions and how he has used his identity to push the narrative about expectations and realities wider than sometimes considered. This is further interrogated when looking the relationship between representations (and perceptions) of professional sports, as often given to young Black students, and the importance of the value of education to a successful career.

We explore our experiences of workplace policies that deal with racism by denying its claims in the first place (typically before attempting to removing the complainants as punishment).

Throughout the conversation we delve into moments where community and self determination have been instrumental as supports for Adrian. These highlight moments of his own growth in character and stature, but also give good insight into how to ensure that one's next steps build upon previous experience.