After 10 years of producing solid arthouse movies, Jonas and Max found themselves in a so called producers midlife crisis: They were established producers, but knew that their outreach in terms of audience was limited. Through some coincidences, they started pitching the first feature by Patrick Vollrath 7500 all around Hollywood and ended up with Film Nation and Endeavor as partners. Since then, they focus on coproductions with the US and have movies such as Stowaway with Anna Kendrick and Toni Colette coming up. Listen to them talk about about their way from getting their first projects made to surviving the producers midlife crisis, their first glimpse at Hollywood (involving encounters with two Oscar throphies in one trip) and how they were being seen as two crazy German guys on their first trip to the US.