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3:10

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3:13

Masterson got sent to jail? That's the only

3:15

one, that's all that's in the news, yes.

3:18

I'm glad he got his comeuppance. You know what, I

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younger.

3:47

Yeah, glad he's gone. Glad he's gone.

3:49

Let's talk about Joe Kennedy.

3:52

Okay, what? I'm gonna tell you about that

3:54

coach, the praying coach from Bremerton

3:57

High School. Here's where I want to

3:59

start this story.

3:59

Okay, yep, when the Supreme

4:02

Court like this guy wanted

4:04

to pray on the field 50 yard line after

4:07

games Not like a private little prayer, but

4:09

like clearly a show Bodhi everyone

4:11

look at me Oh kids you wanna you want to

4:13

gather around sure go for it and

4:16

the schools like you can't do that

4:18

You're still on the clock. I don't care that

4:20

the final whistle blew you're not a coach until

4:22

like the kids go home You're

4:24

not done being a coach. So like you're on the

4:26

clock So you can't do these performative prayers file

4:29

and then he just said well if you're not gonna let

4:31

me I'm gonna resign and they're like

4:34

bye and then he sued

4:36

the school district. This is years ago This is

4:39

like 2015 and this case starts

4:41

working through the court system and he

4:43

loses at Every single

4:45

term because of course he has no case because

4:47

he's clearly doing these performative

4:50

prayers Trying to push Christianity

4:53

on everybody and that's not

4:55

his job That's not his role at that time.

4:57

It's not just to hear so when

4:59

the Supreme Court was asked

5:02

in an appeal like a can you guys? Take

5:04

up this case that was in 2021 Kennedy

5:08

coach Joe Kennedy was still insisting his

5:11

religious rights had been violated because

5:13

he couldn't do these prayers Yeah,

5:15

and Americans united for separation of church and

5:17

state, which was one of the groups representing

5:20

the school district They had good

5:22

reason to be worried This is an ultra conservative

5:25

Supreme Court if they were going to

5:27

take up this case, which they did not have to There

5:30

was nothing stopping them from ruling in Kennedy's

5:32

favor and that could open the door for

5:34

promotion of Christianity by government employees

5:37

But her emails coaches right exactly.

5:39

So here's the thing though The reason

5:42

I wanted to bring this up here is because there was

5:44

a way to prevent the outcome in

5:46

a way that allowed Kind of all the players

5:48

to save face Americans

5:50

united argued to the Supreme

5:52

Court. Hey, you guys should

5:54

not take this case Not

5:56

because you don't want to I'm sure you want

5:58

to write, but you don't

5:59

have to because even if you

6:02

ruled in his favor, you're

6:04

only allowed to rule in someone's favor if

6:07

your ruling is going to help

6:09

him get what he wants. That's

6:11

standing. And their argument

6:13

was Joe Kennedy does not have

6:16

standing. And the reason is even if

6:18

you gave him what he wanted, his job

6:20

back, he's not gonna become a coach

6:22

again. He's not gonna return to the field.

6:25

And we know that, they said, in a

6:27

document that they gave to the court,

6:29

they said he's not gonna go back because

6:32

guess what? This guy just

6:34

moved to Florida. They

6:36

said we know for a fact

6:38

this was in Washington State. They said this

6:40

guy moved to Pensacola, Florida. Not

6:42

only that, he's to Pensacola,

6:45

Florida. Old white people.

6:48

Not only that, he was a registered voter there.

6:50

So was his wife. There's no hes residency.

6:52

There was no reason

6:55

to think he's gonna move back to Washington

6:57

State for a low-paying,

7:00

part-time assistant coaching

7:03

job. And honestly, even if he said, but

7:05

you guys it totally will, like the facts

7:07

alone allowed the court to just

7:09

say, you know what, this case doesn't matter anymore.

7:12

So we don't have to take it up. And here's

7:14

what they wrote. Petitioner Joe

7:16

Kennedy would therefore seem to be unable

7:18

to accept a position as or

7:21

fulfill the year-round responsibilities

7:24

of a Bremerton High School football

7:26

coach. And because of that, he is not entitled

7:28

to and could not take advantage of

7:30

the requested injunctive

7:32

relief. Even supposing, this

7:35

is Americans United, even supposing

7:37

that there were some genuine possibility

7:40

that Joe Kennedy might decide to leave

7:42

his home in Pensacola, Florida and move

7:44

approximately 2,800 miles

7:47

back to Bremerton, Washington for a $5,304

7:51

part-time coaching job. Oh my god.

7:53

This court has made clear

7:56

that such a speculation cannot

7:58

shield the case from

7:59

mootness determination basically

8:02

saying you guys don't have to take this case and

8:04

the Supreme Court What was the Supreme

8:06

Court's justification? Well before I get there

8:09

Joe Kennedy's lawyers shined back

8:11

and this is what this is important

8:13

Do you mean to say clap back clap back? They

8:15

clapped back God. We're fucking

8:17

dorks. Yeah, we are So they wrote back

8:19

to the Supreme Court and said well We have a response

8:22

to their argument that you should toss

8:24

out this case They

8:26

said of Joe Kennedy he remains

8:29

ready willing and able

8:31

to return to his job just

8:33

as soon as his Constitutional rights

8:35

are vindicated. It is really that simple

8:38

the relocation to Florida is not

8:40

permanent and Joe Kennedy Stands

8:42

ready willing and able to move back to Bremerton

8:45

as soon as humanly possible Should

8:47

he prevail in this litigation and be permitted to

8:49

resume his coaching duties? So what we also

8:52

say you're out from his hang on they also

8:54

said he is champing up the bit to resume

8:56

the job He loves and they

8:58

also had a declaration from Joe

9:00

Kennedy His lawyers did stating

9:02

that if he prevailed he would return

9:04

home to Bremerton immediately Quote

9:07

I am ready and willing to resume my coaching

9:09

duties in Bremerton, Washington I can do

9:11

so within 24 hours of

9:14

reinstatement if I am still temporarily

9:16

Residing in Florida

9:18

how many 24-hour chunks have

9:20

we looked at? Yeah one his His

9:22

rights back. She doesn't scare quotes

9:24

I know so the Supreme Court had

9:27

those arguments to consider before they voted

9:29

on whether or not to take up this case And

9:32

now by now we know they did take

9:34

up the case. So whatever

9:35

So the justices

9:38

I'm quoting Andrew Seidel here the

9:40

constitutional attorney works for American Unite

9:42

Americans United He wrote in his book American

9:45

American crusade the justices

9:48

ignored the mootness because again

9:51

These justices want to take these

9:54

cases, right? They're eager to weaponize religious

9:56

freedom and consummate the American

9:58

crusade. Okay

10:00

So here, I'll skip ahead a little

10:02

bit.

10:03

The Supreme Court took up that case.

10:05

They heard the oral arguments. Everyone

10:07

knew these were not brief, quiet,

10:10

private prayers. These were massive spectacles,

10:12

as Sonia Sotomayor even said in the

10:14

case in her decision. Here's

10:17

a picture. This isn't brief or

10:19

quiet. It was a six to three ruling

10:21

exactly as you think it would play out. Justice

10:24

Neil Gorsuch, writing for the majority, said Kennedy

10:27

was initially fired over his prayers.

10:29

He was not. He resigned. Gorsuch

10:31

said Kennedy's prayers were quiet and personal.

10:34

They were not.

10:35

Gorsuch said Kennedy's prayers were not coercive,

10:38

and they were.

10:38

But they're wrong. But the thing is, they're

10:40

wrong. How can we just

10:43

deny reality like this? Facts don't matter if

10:45

you're the Supreme Court. No, no, no, no. Don't do the bit about,

10:47

oh, they don't care. There's no bit. Truly, how

10:50

can he

10:51

honestly, what the fuck is

10:53

going on? Remember, we talked a

10:55

couple months ago with the website

10:58

lady case in Colorado, 303 Creative, where

11:02

she said, I want to make wedding websites,

11:04

even though I have no skill in doing any of this stuff. And

11:07

gay people might ask me to make a website,

11:09

and I don't want to give them

11:10

my template. And I want to get out ahead of

11:12

that. And basically, there

11:14

was no evidence, it turned out, that any

11:17

gay people had ever asked her to make

11:19

a website for them. So again, they shouldn't have taken

11:21

up that case either. But they

11:23

did, and they ruled in her favor. And again,

11:25

here's

11:26

the thing. I'm not going to rehash

11:29

Gorsuch's horrible decision there.

11:31

It was a bad decision. But here's the thing. That

11:33

came down

11:34

last year, last summer, in September,

11:37

when the football season officially started,

11:39

even though they do summer practices and all that, in

11:42

September, the Seattle Times reported, Joe

11:44

Kennedy's not here.

11:46

Where is he? He's not on the staff.

11:48

He's not working out with the kids, as football

11:50

coaches should be doing. Is he in the state? And they

11:53

said, seems like he's just

11:55

too busy being a spokesperson for

11:57

the cause, this is me talking, of

11:59

like.

11:59

Christian persecution. Christian? Christian

12:02

persecution. He was writing a memoir,

12:04

ghost written, but he was writing a memoir. It's

12:07

called Average Joe, the Coach

12:10

Joe Kennedy story. Can you

12:10

imagine a more

12:13

boring book than a

12:16

middle class, middle talent

12:18

white dude who stumbled into fame

12:21

by being a fucking blowhard? I

12:23

cannot think of anything. To

12:23

be fair, that is every memoir ever. Not

12:27

to this, not to that. Your memoir

12:29

wasn't that blowhardy. This

12:32

book, by the way, comes out next month,

12:35

which I think you need to keep in mind for

12:37

all the things

12:37

we're- How thick do you think it is? Tell me when to stop. It's gotta

12:40

be- It's gonna be a pamphlet. It's gotta be a pamphlet

12:42

illustrated. Like truly, I'm

12:44

so sorry, and this is such a mean thing to say. What

12:47

do you think an assistant football coach

12:49

has to say, an assistant

12:51

high school football coach has to say that I

12:54

am gonna dedicate six of my earth

12:56

hours to? Here's the thing. It's not gonna be

12:58

about the students. One time I was Christian and somebody

13:00

said, oh, I'm Jewish, and I was like, whoa.

13:02

It's not gonna be about the

13:04

kids he worked with because if we know anything about

13:06

this guy, he doesn't give a shit about the students. We'll get to that

13:09

in a bit. So there's that. He

13:11

was working on his book with a ghostwriter. Then

13:13

there's a movie about him. Excuse me, it's

13:15

a part-time job. I've been

13:17

writing books in like a 15-minute

13:21

chunk. Well, if it's ghostwritten, I don't even think he

13:23

has much say in it. Yeah, my dude, you're not even gonna

13:25

fucking edit that thing. So there's also a movie about

13:27

him coming out produced by the God's Not Dead

13:29

people. He doesn't have anything to do with it per

13:31

se. He's not acting in it, but it's about him, so I don't

13:33

know. Well, he must be making money off it if he signed away

13:36

his life, right? Yep. Maybe, absolutely, you would've

13:38

had to sign that. He was consulting.

13:40

He said he, in an interview

13:42

that Ron DeSantis's people, and including

13:44

Ron DeSantis, like asked him, like, can

13:46

you give us your endorsement? And he's like, I

13:49

like Trump.

13:50

The Florida move is making a lot more

13:52

sense. Yeah, right? He was also giving paid

13:54

speeches. He said in interviews his

13:56

future plans might include, and I'm quoting

13:58

here,

13:59

some- ministry or something.

14:02

Sure, sounds like you found your calling book. He

14:04

created a promotional website for himself,

14:07

for anyone who wanted to buy his

14:09

time. And I bet he makes fun of Instagram

14:11

influencers too. Well, you know what's not on

14:13

that site, because I did spend way too much time on it. Oh

14:15

boy, his coaching career? No coaching, no

14:17

private football tutoring, anything like that.

14:20

Okay, he's also-

14:21

He's not even like dedicating part of his windfall

14:23

to like his old school or

14:25

to like underprivileged kids who want to

14:27

play football. No. Not like giving

14:30

back at all.

14:30

Nothing. He's also working-

14:33

Oh, just like Jesus would do. He's

14:35

also working with a Christian PR firm. So anyway,

14:37

last September- Why do Christians need a

14:40

PR firm? Does Jesus do the work? I spent even more time

14:42

on the Christian PR firm's website. What's their

14:44

jam? Because it looks like we're the booking agents,

14:46

if you wanna, if your church wants

14:48

to rent out any of our speakers, you

14:51

know, and you wanna book them, go through us. They have

14:53

a stable of speakers? They have a stable of speakers who

14:55

involve Christian politicians, Christian

14:57

musicians, and Coach Joe.

15:00

Sounds like a lot of white people, I bet. It

15:02

was so many. Oh, of course. Okay,

15:04

so- I was half joking, but I'm not actually surprised.

15:07

So that was last September. He wasn't

15:09

involved in the entire season. Hey,

15:11

Hemanthe. Yep. It's September

15:13

again. Yes, it is. So anyway, last spring. Oh, God. Last

15:16

spring. Not even to this year? No, the football

15:18

season ends in like November

15:20

or whatever. It's now like March or May or something.

15:23

Bremerton School District says,

15:25

they put out a release saying, hey, we

15:28

got paperwork from the guy and we

15:30

are reinstating him because the Supreme Court's

15:32

making us and he will be an assistant

15:34

coach for the following season.

15:37

Okay, so basically for all the critics

15:39

out there, it was like, he is coming back, you

15:41

guys. Can you imagine being this

15:43

poor high school administrator

15:46

who now has to take orders from the Supreme

15:48

Court? Like, and here's

15:51

the thing, I think they're just like, fine, we'll sign

15:53

the papers. Truly, they want this to go away, I'm sure.

15:55

So last week,

15:56

last week, the first football

15:59

game of the season.

15:59

was last Friday, the

16:02

last day in August, that

16:04

was their first football game. I don't know how much

16:06

Joe Kennedy was with the kids prior to

16:08

that, because there is practice you got to do with them

16:10

and stuff. But anyway, everyone's very interested

16:12

in this first game and by everyone I mean media, because

16:15

it's like, so you're gonna do the prayer thing at the end of the

16:17

game, right? You're gonna say that everyone, I mean me. I

16:19

mean like three people who pay attention to this story.

16:22

So last week, the Seattle Times, which has been on

16:24

top of this story, they said

16:27

Kennedy was quote, currently house

16:29

sitting in Bremerton and said

16:31

he and his wife have talked about parking an

16:34

RV on her sister's property

16:36

in the area during football season,

16:39

which

16:40

is fine, but that's clearly

16:42

temporary.

16:44

That's not you moving back to Bremerton, that's

16:46

you finding a place to stay while

16:48

you're here. I almost asked about like,

16:51

nevermind. So,

16:54

okay, fine, so fine. So did he show up at

16:56

the, was he at the game? Was he better at practices? So

16:58

he was at the game, he was at the

17:00

practices, because I only know

17:02

that, because the Seattle Times had pictures

17:04

of him like with the kids practicing. Okay,

17:07

so you're there for a few practices. I don't know how many, but

17:09

you're there, fine. They asked him,

17:11

so what are you gonna do like after the first game? Are

17:13

you sticking around here? He's like, you know, I'm not

17:15

talking about that right now. I'm interested

17:17

in getting my team ready to go, blah, blah,

17:20

blah. So

17:22

last Friday, and then this has been covered a lot

17:24

in religion news sites, so

17:26

whatever.

17:27

Friday, the team won the game. It was

17:29

a pretty lopsided victory. They did well. After

17:32

the game, Kennedy did go

17:34

to midfield after the game. And

17:36

what was interesting is he goes there after

17:38

the final whistle to do his prayer. He

17:41

does do the Tim Tebow kneeling thing

17:43

at midfield. This one was actually

17:45

brief and quiet. It was like 10 seconds long, and

17:47

then he gets up and walks off.

17:50

No one's surrounding the guy. Every

17:52

single article I read is described

17:55

it as, it was like a smattering

17:57

of applause, but like, not.

18:00

Oh my God, do you think he's so embarrassed?

18:02

Yeah, he thought he was gonna come back hometown hero.

18:05

Yeah, and it seems like no one really wanted

18:07

anything

18:08

to do with this guy. Because he's being a dick.

18:10

The kids on the field, mind you, these are not

18:12

the students who were around when

18:14

he was a coach last time around. Two generations

18:16

of students later. So they were not

18:18

on the field with him, and I don't know what they thought, and

18:20

it doesn't matter what they thought, but they were not surrounding

18:23

this guy. And the

18:25

media covered it because it was a news story.

18:27

This is what the Supreme Court case was all about. This

18:30

moment. But clearly, that's

18:33

it. We're done with the story. We're all moving on.

18:35

It's like the wildfire in Hawaii.

18:37

We're good now, all

18:38

right? Yeah, we heard about it, and we're sort

18:40

of bummed out by it. The media leaves. It

18:42

was a few seconds and then it was done. And

18:45

this week, I got

18:47

a text message from a friend who's like,

18:50

how is this happening already? And I'm like, what

18:53

happened? And the answer was Joe

18:55

Kennedy has announced his resignation.

18:59

Did you get your butcher box this week?

19:02

I did, and I've already made

19:04

two meals using it in the last 48 hours.

19:08

So

19:09

the other night, Mikey made enchiladas

19:11

with the chicken that they sent us, and it

19:13

was shockingly good. And

19:16

it's chicken, right? The

19:19

bar isn't that high for chicken, but it was actually so

19:21

good. And in this one

19:23

box, we got two ribeyes. We

19:25

got two things at Tri-Tips. I don't even

19:27

know what Tri-Tips are, Hemant. I

19:30

have to learn something new. I'll let chicken

19:32

and a three pound rack of ribs

19:35

that I am going to bring up to my parents'

19:37

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The second game hasn't even been

21:33

played yet.

21:34

And here's what the press release

21:37

said.

21:38

Actually, this is from the Seattle

21:40

Times as well. Kennedy, already

21:42

back in Pensacola, Florida, where he and

21:44

his wife have lived for three years, said

21:47

he emailed his resignation at 4am

21:50

Wednesday due to a family

21:52

health situation

21:54

in Pensacola. And what he described

21:56

as a deteriorating situation

21:59

at the Bremerton School.

21:59

District. I'm done," he said.

22:02

In a resignation letter obtained by the Seattle

22:05

Times, Kennedy said, it is apparent

22:07

that the reinstatement ordered by the

22:09

Supreme Court will not be fully followed

22:12

after a series of actions meant to

22:14

diminish my role and single

22:16

me out in what I can only believe

22:18

is retaliation by the school district.

22:21

What is he calling out? Is he calling,

22:23

is he being specific at least? That is

22:25

also the question I had and the

22:27

answer that I looked for and could not find,

22:30

I couldn't find anything.

22:31

I do not know how they

22:33

diminished his role because he didn't say. I don't

22:36

know how they singled him out because he didn't say. Why

22:38

does he think they were retaliating against him? I

22:40

don't know because you know what I saw? I

22:42

saw this guy go out onto the field

22:45

after the game and do his stupid little prayer

22:47

and no one cared about it.

22:49

And then guess what? No one else gave

22:52

him the attention he wanted. So he's gonna

22:54

get the fuck out of there and go back to the adoring crowds.

22:57

Yeah, I think I, and by the way, let's

22:59

say there is

23:00

a family health situation which

23:02

would suck and my condolences, but

23:04

guess what? Last week when he was

23:07

practicing and getting ready for the first game of the season,

23:10

there was no mention of any possible

23:12

health situation. So like what

23:14

changed? I mean he doesn't owe us. Oh wait,

23:16

wait, wait, wait. Is it a health situation or

23:18

is it the school's mean to him? Because it

23:20

feels like a pretty big coincidence at four in the

23:22

morning on a Wednesday.

23:23

He doesn't owe us medical information, but I'm kind

23:25

of curious like what changed since last week, buddy.

23:27

I would be way more sympathetic if he

23:29

hadn't done countless interviews where he's

23:31

like, I don't know if I'm gonna, like, I don't

23:33

know what I'm doing after this week.

23:35

I love that he at least had the sense

23:37

to like stay in a house even

23:39

if it wasn't his because you know his

23:41

first thing was like Holiday Inn Express, right? Like

23:44

we're going to be in and out of there.

23:46

You

23:46

have to be Neil Gorsuch to accept

23:49

these lies. Embarrassing

23:52

for like that's I think that's kind of what it comes

23:54

down to is like they've

23:57

made he has made single-handedly

23:59

made a mockery of this. Supreme Court, well the Supreme

24:01

Court named MacRae himself, but truly

24:03

like they gave him everything you wanted they

24:06

gave him everything you wanted, they took him

24:08

so seriously Sonia Sotomayor's like

24:10

you guys are lying in the majority and I have pictures

24:12

to prove my side here Her

24:15

descent is glorious It's so good

24:17

and I just cannot imagine like

24:19

the gaslighting that has to be happening

24:21

in that chamber You know what I mean? Right?

24:24

I

24:24

don't think they care. Here's the thing Of

24:26

course they don't care about things that they care, I'm just saying it's happening

24:28

But the decision I think

24:31

like with all the Supreme Court decisions, yeah, it's

24:33

about this dude But the bigger issue is

24:35

we are saying that if any other coach wants

24:38

to do this We're giving them permission to do it and

24:40

that's what this that's why the Supreme Court won't care

24:42

about Joe Kennedy

24:43

But but if you boy,

24:45

but that's why like it still matters. Here's

24:47

my real genuine question Can

24:50

that and I know it won't and I know I'm just like reaching

24:52

for can they erase Basically

24:55

can a can we call backsies? Well,

24:59

I understand that you're trying to make me sound like an idiot

25:01

and I appreciate that cuz I

25:03

am but I am just saying like like

25:06

in lawsuits

25:07

you can overturn a lawsuit because

25:11

There was no standing or like somebody

25:13

can overturn it and say there's no standing I understand the Supreme

25:15

Court is the highest you can go. However, if Isn't

25:18

there any reason that the fact

25:21

that this man fully lied

25:23

about what he was going to do and did not have

25:25

standing and the Supreme Court ignored like

25:28

the answer is no because Because

25:30

this is one of the running stories of this

25:32

Supreme Court Which is that if Christians bring

25:34

forth a case that is based on a lie

25:37

It doesn't matter because the lies

25:40

don't

25:41

matter to the facts of the case because

25:43

they're judging some overarching

25:45

legal issue and not the facts that brought

25:47

it there which is the opposite of what they're

25:49

supposed to do But if it gets up to them, it's

25:52

like all right We'll assume the facts are the facts

25:54

and let's rule on the principle of the thing

25:56

and by the way Like I think we discussed this when we

25:59

discussed the 303

25:59

creative case as well. It's happened before

26:02

in liberal cases too where the facts were actually

26:04

pretty dubious

26:06

even if we got the result we wanted. So as

26:08

much as I would love to say come on can't you call

26:11

like backseas on this the answer is no. Well I understand.

26:13

Well not backseas but like. I'm not saying call backseas on

26:16

it. Don't diminish me. Sorry. It doesn't matter

26:18

that he lied and that everything his

26:20

critics said played out. Right.

26:23

It doesn't matter. But here's the thing he

26:25

says the school's coming against me, the district's

26:27

against me, they're retaliating. The thing is

26:29

they did pass a policy after the Supreme

26:31

Court ruling that basically said all right we're

26:33

going to be in the district. They said

26:35

all right the new rule is after

26:37

you're I'm paraphrasing

26:39

here I don't have it in front of me but like after you're done with your

26:42

coaching obligations which they basically

26:44

said is after the final whistle you

26:46

may take time to do any private prayer

26:48

private reflection or whatever as

26:50

long as it's not interfering with your duties.

26:52

Thank God we went to the Supreme Court for this one.

26:54

They also say. Really worth everybody's time

26:57

and money. They also said if you are praying

26:59

like students cannot be part of it at the beginning

27:02

but if they want to join in after

27:04

you begin they are allowed to do that

27:06

saying like. Is that not already that. Everything

27:09

was already the case but they were just delineating

27:11

they're like you can't be coercive so the way we're

27:13

gonna do that is it students choose.

27:16

Precious about their little traditions. The

27:18

district is trying

27:21

to pass a policy in benefit

27:23

of the students. While paying

27:26

attention to the Supreme Court so they're saying look we want to

27:28

make sure kids are not coerced so they can't

27:30

be there when you start the prayer. Yeah if they want

27:32

to join you

27:33

halfway through. That's fine. So my statement

27:35

still stands. Okay. People are so fucking precious about their

27:37

little traditions. Joe Kennedy was asked about the statement

27:40

the policy change and he's like yeah

27:42

like that's fine I get to do what I want

27:44

to do that's what this was

27:45

all about. The whole point was

27:47

that Christian it's not just Christians get

27:49

to prayer wherever they want they are

27:52

reaching for Christians get to do whatever

27:55

they want for any actual

27:57

reason as long as they say well it's my religion.

27:59

Yes. So again, he didn't

28:02

have a problem with the policy last week. I don't

28:04

know what his problem is anymore. And

28:06

when I read the press release, he himself

28:09

released.

28:10

There were only four paragraphs. Most of it was like

28:12

the retaliation stuff. And then the last paragraph

28:15

is basically urging people to buy his book.

28:18

Cute. That's a good look. That is real

28:20

classy, my dude. Rachel Lazer.

28:23

Fucking trash monsters. Rachel Lazer,

28:25

the president and CEO. And this guy's going to be richer than I could

28:27

ever even dream to be.

28:30

At least for a minute. For a minute, maybe. He's

28:32

not going to make sound financial choices. But

28:34

I guarantee you, he has more money right

28:36

now than I'm probably ever going to amass in my stupid

28:39

nonprofit lifetime. I

28:41

am not comparing the two, but I think he's going down

28:43

the Kyle Rittenhouse route, which is

28:45

I'm famous for something I did. Horrible.

28:48

For something horrible. Not in the same league,

28:50

but yes, horrible. But also, I'm just going

28:52

to capitalize on that fame as long

28:54

as I can. And then within a couple

28:57

of years, it'll be shitty reality TV

28:59

shows from

28:59

here on out. Yeah, but that money still spends,

29:02

you know? That money spends. Yes. So Rachel Lazer,

29:04

president and CEO of Americans United, basically,

29:06

she didn't say I told you so, because

29:09

she's a professional.

29:10

But here's what's here. Here's what she

29:12

said. I'll decide if she said I told her so. After

29:15

the Supreme Court's decision last summer, Kennedy

29:17

and his attorneys claimed he'd be on the first flight

29:20

back to resume his coaching job. But he

29:22

was on no show in August of 2022, when

29:24

the district offered to rehire him in time for

29:26

that football season. For years, Kennedy

29:29

and his lawyers have said all he wanted was

29:31

his job back. We were skeptical.

29:33

And now, here we are, right where

29:35

we warned the Supreme Court we would

29:37

be.

29:38

That wasn't I told you so. And

29:41

now, here we are. Very

29:43

good. I'm offended, not just as

29:45

a supporter of church-state separation, but

29:48

as a public high school coach

29:50

of a sort. Truly. Like, I've

29:53

said this before, but like, I think this bears

29:55

repeating. If you're coaching high school,

29:57

if you're coaching community college, if you're coaching

29:59

anything.

29:59

that's like not on TV all the time and

30:02

getting paid a lot. It's a huge

30:04

sacrifice. And as any of those people would tell

30:06

you,

30:07

yeah, you don't get paid much. Yes, it takes a lot

30:09

of your time, but you do it for the students. You

30:11

do it because you love the activity, you

30:13

love the students, you do it because what you get

30:15

out of it is more valuable than a paycheck.

30:18

And when this guy, Joe Kennedy,

30:20

said, yeah, I'm a coach and I'm gonna

30:23

use my platform to advertise my

30:25

religion, that's when it became clear

30:27

he doesn't give a shit about the students.

30:30

And the thing is, even after all the legal

30:32

hassles, the school district,

30:34

by the way, has to pay out, I think, like $1.7 million

30:36

in legal

30:37

fees, some

30:39

of which is covered by insurance, but not all of it.

30:42

After all of that, he spends 10

30:44

seconds doing his prayer, looks around and

30:46

he's like, why isn't everyone giving me a standing

30:49

ovation? Then he's like, oh, and none

30:51

of the cameras are gonna be here for our next home

30:53

game either because I'm not, I guess

30:55

I'm gonna do, and then he's like, I'm

30:56

gone. It's not even an original story

30:59

of somebody fighting so hard and then achieving what

31:01

they want and finding the hollowness and

31:03

success. It's not even an original

31:06

story. I hate it, I hate this guy.

31:08

And by the way, keep in mind, here's

31:10

what he could have done and I know he could have done

31:12

this because he has a PR firm working

31:15

with him now. He could have just accepted

31:17

the SCOTUS victory

31:19

and he could have said, you

31:20

know what, I am glad we won. I

31:22

think I was right in principle, but I think

31:24

if I'm back coaching, it'll

31:27

be a distraction for the students

31:29

on the field. Like, I'll get the attention,

31:31

but that's not where it should be. The attention should

31:33

be on those athletes. So.

31:35

Which the irony is he didn't say that

31:37

because he thought that would be true

31:40

and he did want the attention. He did want the attention.

31:42

It's only after he realized the media was done.

31:44

He doesn't give a shit. They were done with him after

31:46

this story. We've seen the coda to the

31:48

story, which is, yeah, you got the last

31:51

five seconds of your movie, buddy. You

31:53

did the 10 seconds on the field. They will

31:55

show that clip at the end when they're rolling

31:57

the credits and you're done.

31:59

You don't need this anymore. No

32:02

one needs this anymore. I feel like there's like six episodes

32:04

of community alone that are literally

32:06

this. Like, we're going to fight tooth and nail to get this

32:08

thing. And by the time they get it, they're like, oh,

32:11

is this nothing? Oh, has this been nothing the

32:13

whole time?

32:14

So here's what I want. Oh, by the way, David

32:16

Brody, who is a Christian nationalist, fake

32:19

journalist, he wrote on Twitter

32:21

that he spoke to Kennedy a few days ago. This

32:24

is when he announced his resignation. He spoke to

32:26

Joe Kennedy a few days ago. And Kennedy told

32:28

him, quote,

32:29

the school district and this lawsuit

32:32

took a lot of the joy out of

32:34

coaching. Yeah, dog. Lawsuits

32:36

have that effect on things. Yeah, you know why

32:39

he took the joy out of it? Because you made it about

32:41

you.

32:42

That's why it's not fun. It's

32:44

not about the kids. Capitalizing

32:46

on his fake martyrdom, that was his

32:49

decision. He could have just done his job

32:51

and coached, which is what all those other

32:53

coaches on the team are doing. But he never

32:55

gave a damn about coaching. Coaching was

32:57

just the vehicle for him to promote Christianity

33:00

through his taxpayer-funded job. I'm

33:02

sure, by the way, his publicity stunt took

33:04

the joy out of the victory

33:07

that the kids earned on Friday night.

33:09

I'm sure it took the joy from those athletes,

33:12

too. But he doesn't care about their

33:14

feelings either, because

33:15

he never has. Like the narcissism runs.

33:18

Narcissism, I said. Narcissism. Narcissism.

33:21

Oh, that means something. I

33:22

like it. Put it in a psychology book. Yeah, yeah,

33:24

we'll figure it out.

33:26

In that kind of

33:28

area, I can understand wanting the attention.

33:31

My writers are going to be doing a drill team, and I'm

33:33

trying to get them to kick. There's four of them, and

33:35

each carry a flag. When this is J, when

33:37

this is E, when this is S and S. And

33:39

at the end, they line up, and it says Jess. Because

33:42

it's all about me, right? Yes. And

33:44

that's a joke I can make, because I'm not a

33:46

deep-seated narcissist who thinks that

33:49

children playing games on

33:51

behalf of their school is actually

33:54

really about the adults winning

33:56

or getting their way. It's so embarrassing

33:59

that he has.

33:59

truly taken a, like

34:02

you said, Hemant, if anybody

34:04

here works with, is a teacher, works

34:07

with teens, works with kids, like it's

34:10

so hard and it's so exhausting

34:12

and you don't do it for the $5,000 you make, I

34:16

don't do it for the minimum wage I make

34:18

doing my job, I do it because I love

34:20

these kids and I love what I do and I love sharing

34:23

my passion. And this guy has lost

34:25

the plot so hard, these

34:27

kids are gonna leave his high school playing football in

34:29

Christianity. Like I'm sure

34:32

this poor school, I can't

34:33

imagine. I was so waiting

34:36

for any reporter to like get a quotation

34:38

from any of the students. Truly, have we not? No,

34:41

and we shouldn't because they have no

34:43

business weighing in on this and they have their

34:44

lives to lead. I mean, I feel

34:47

like alumni can absolutely say something.

34:50

I just, it's so pathetic.

34:52

It is so pathetic that people like

34:54

let their, and I know agenda

34:57

is such a loaded term at this point, but like

34:59

let their desire to sculpt

35:02

the world to their liking, they're

35:05

willing to fuck over anybody and everyone

35:07

they can.

35:09

I just, it's so embarrassing.

35:12

That's all I can come to. It's so embarrassing for

35:14

him. It's embarrassing for the country. It's embarrassing

35:16

for the Supreme Court.

35:17

It's embarrassing for the stupid sport of football,

35:20

which I mean anyway. Supreme

35:22

Court has no shame. The kids will still concuss

35:24

each other. I'm a firm believer in sports

35:27

and like group activities.

35:29

And I have had some shitty coaches in my day,

35:32

but never, never have

35:34

I had a coach usurp

35:36

the attention so hard that he landed

35:38

on the Supreme Court.

35:40

All for what? 10 seconds

35:42

of prayer that I'm sure Jesus couldn't hear because

35:45

he had better things to do. I would have compensated

35:47

him that $5,000 a year out

35:49

of my pocket if he would have just shut

35:51

the fuck up. I'll give him $5,000 for the rest of time.

35:54

You know what I would have loved? And I want to just for

35:56

inflation though. He submitted his resignation

35:59

and the board.

35:59

had their board meeting and I haven't heard

36:02

to the contrary. I assume they just accepted it and they're

36:04

like, we're done with him. Well, in my

36:06

fantasy, it was like, what

36:08

if they didn't accept it and they're like, oh

36:10

no, you have to coach the rest of the season.

36:14

How pissed off would he be? He's

36:16

like, what?

36:16

I have to coach. I know not we. How

36:19

mad would coach Kennedy be if he actually has a

36:21

coach? No, sorry. He signed a contract. You

36:23

have coached nine more games. And God

36:26

help you if we make playoffs and the team's looking real

36:28

good this year, bud.

36:29

He got you over Thanksgiving, buddy. Here's

36:32

what I would like to see. I

36:34

looked at the team's schedule. Christian nationalism

36:36

to stop. The team's playing

36:39

an away game this week. But at their next home

36:41

game, to the students on the

36:43

football team at Bremerton, I

36:45

know you're hearing this. Here's

36:47

what you should do.

36:48

When you win your next game,

36:51

you should have a postgame celebration. It

36:53

should be at the 50 yard line.

36:56

You should make a little huddle that's empty in the middle.

36:59

Hail, say, hail, say, hail. It

37:02

would be so good.

37:03

So good.

37:04

He's gone. He's gone for Bremerton

37:06

now. And now he'll be a political. I'm sure he's

37:08

going to run for state legislature

37:11

in like a minute.

37:11

Of course. He's going to be president in 10 years. Don't

37:13

get it twisted. This country is not

37:15

doing well. Coach Joe the Plumber. Coach

37:18

Joe the Plumber. Didn't we already do Joe the Plumber?

37:20

He's dead now. Wait, is he? Yeah.

37:23

Actual Joe the Plumber? He's dead like last week. Where

37:26

were you? I'm offline.

37:28

Why do you not believe me when I talk to you?

37:31

OK, we're moving to a different story.

37:34

All right. Not about Joe the Plumber. OK, so

37:36

I got. How'd he die though? I

37:38

don't know. He was. Like natural comics or was it?

37:40

Yeah, I'm sure it was. So he's

37:43

younger than us I think. Yeah, no, not

37:45

younger than us. Are you kidding? 2008 election.

37:48

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37:50

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Northbrook, Illinois. The Daily Beast had a story

38:54

this week about conservative Christians

38:56

from a mega church taking over a public

38:58

school district in California. And

39:01

as soon as I heard about that, I'm like, Chino

39:03

Valley. It's totally Chino Valley. And

39:05

I looked at the back and I looked at the article. I'm

39:08

like, yep, nailed it. Got it. You

39:10

know why I knew that? It's because

39:12

this

39:13

one school district in California

39:15

has been in the news for over 10 years

39:18

for all the same shit. It's

39:20

a fine school district, but it's run by crazy

39:23

people.

39:23

Where in California is this again? I don't care.

39:26

No, it's it's in southeastern suburb

39:28

of Los Angeles. Oh, okay. Gotcha. But basically,

39:30

this one school district, here's here's

39:33

an article.

39:34

Just consider this Bible verses

39:37

calls to accept Jesus and the promise

39:39

of eternal life

39:40

can be heard in two places in

39:42

the suburb, the

39:43

Calvary Chapel Chino Hills mega

39:46

church, and the Chino Valley Unified

39:48

School District Board of Education, three

39:51

of the five school board members worship

39:53

at the Evangelical Church on Sundays, yada,

39:55

yada, yada, getting the blessing of the giant

39:58

church, which says it has

39:59

8,000 registered voters matters

40:02

in the Chino Valley School District where

40:05

the highest vote-getter in the recent board election

40:07

received just over 11,000 votes That

40:10

article is from

40:13

2015 about this place And

40:15

basically the story here is that this mega church

40:17

it's run by this guy named Jack

40:20

Hibbs Who has since become

40:22

basically a mega cultist anti-vax

40:24

or everything you would suspect? Yes And

40:27

basically in 2015 the story was there were three

40:29

people on this school board

40:31

their names are relevant here for a second Andrew

40:34

Cruz James Na Sylvia

40:36

Orazco, they're all members of the mega

40:38

church They have a majority on the school

40:40

board and because they had a majority they

40:43

were turning meetings into church services

40:45

full of Explicitly Christian prayers

40:47

and Bible verses there were rants

40:49

against gay marriage in the middle of school board

40:51

meetings and the thing is the

40:53

freedom from religion foundation filed the lawsuit

40:55

over the prayers at school board meetings and

40:58

Not only did the school board

41:01

lose at the district court level then

41:03

they appealed then the appellate courts like no,

41:05

dude You lost then they're like, excuse

41:08

me We want to ask the entire appeals

41:10

court to hear this case and the entire

41:12

courts like dude you lost And

41:15

then they were like Supreme Court Will

41:17

you hear our case and the Supreme Court's like

41:19

dude you lost go away? even

41:21

the Supreme Court even the Supreme Court wouldn't take

41:23

up the case and it cost them

41:25

over $280,000 and

41:28

I

41:28

want to celebrate that but this is the

41:30

district's money not their money, right?

41:33

Um, so what did these people do besides jamming

41:35

prayers in school board meetings? Andrew Cruz

41:38

was criticized in 2015 cuz he

41:40

there's video of this he delivered a long monologue

41:42

where in the same monologue

41:44

Yes trashed gay marriage invoked

41:47

the Confederate flag like in a good way. Excuse

41:49

you. Yes in California California

41:52

he argued that racism is over His

41:56

last name is Cruz and he complained

42:00

about California's mandatory vaccination

42:03

laws. This is 2015. Yeah,

42:05

oh, that's foreshadowing. That's what we call

42:07

it in the game. And then it gets even weirder

42:10

because Jack Hibbs, the mega church pastor,

42:12

when one of those other guys, James

42:14

Na, when he was running for

42:17

election, Jack Hibbs is like, vote

42:19

for the best person for the job, everyone. Like

42:22

James

42:22

Na. Oh, James Na? Yeah,

42:24

that's the other dude on the board. The

42:27

pastor's literally endorsing. He's

42:29

violating the Johnson Amendment? Well,

42:31

yes, and here's the thing. He did that on Facebook

42:34

on his personal page, which he can absolutely

42:36

do and get away with. But the church's

42:39

social media also

42:42

celebrated this guy. And here's

42:45

an example of a post from the church

42:48

on Facebook.

42:49

This just in, our own

42:51

James Na, Chino Unified

42:53

School Board member, successfully spearheaded

42:55

a campaign to reintroduce the Bible

42:58

back into the public schools as history

43:00

and literature. Let's all email

43:02

James and the school district and thank them for

43:05

a job well done.

43:06

Like they do this sort of stuff. The congregation

43:09

lobbied the school district to do that thing.

43:12

Oh, by the way, that same dude, James Na, he

43:14

was accused of using his position to

43:17

try to recruit a student leader

43:19

whose job is like being a liaison between

43:21

students and the school board. He tried to recruit

43:23

her to the church.

43:25

Totally, no lines whatsoever.

43:29

Oh, and by the way, here's how Jack

43:31

Hibbs talked about accusations that

43:33

he's violating the Johnson Amendment.

43:36

He said, I'm not doing that. People

43:39

say I'm not allowed to endorse anyone from

43:41

behind the pulpit. Quote, so

43:43

then I just walk in front of the pulpit, bless

43:46

the candidate, and say how great he or

43:48

she is and that I'm voting for them, and

43:50

then go back behind the pulpit.

43:54

Oh, and that's not

43:56

even the full story. His church, the church

43:59

is literally giving. to political candidates.

44:01

When people misunderstand idioms, it's

44:04

not an excuse to break the law. Behind

44:07

the pulpit doesn't mean where you physically are. You

44:10

absolute fucking pine cone. Yes,

44:11

and the church, not Jack

44:14

Hibbs, the church has given money. And

44:16

how fucking smug he is. Oh, the

44:18

US Constitution has nothing on me in

44:20

my little sneaky ways. And

44:23

that's how he said it, too. Truly, these people

44:25

need a hobby

44:26

that is not

44:29

just making, imagine if I just walked

44:31

around with horses all the time, was like, hey everybody,

44:33

here's a fucking horse. Take the horse, do

44:35

what you want, the horse, everybody loves horses.

44:36

To be fair, that is what I think you do. I

44:38

mean, I would if I could, because I would love to give out

44:40

horses. Oh, by the way, this school board majority

44:42

in 2008, when they also had all

44:45

of this happening, they passed a resolution

44:47

opposing same-sex marriage.

44:50

Why is the school board doing that? Because

44:54

they can, that's why. So,

44:57

my point here is,

44:59

this megachurch and their involvement

45:02

in this particular school district has been

45:04

a problem for well over a decade. You said it's

45:06

a unified school district. Oh, it's a public school district.

45:08

So it's public public. So,

45:10

this week, The Daily Beast published an article

45:12

called, The California Megachurch Pushing

45:14

Public Schools to the Far Right. And

45:17

I'm like,

45:18

this is plagiarism, right? Like, or they're

45:20

just, this is the same school district, same

45:22

story, right? And it's not. No

45:25

disrespect to the journalists. It was a news story and

45:27

everything. But it is about- But you're like, we've done this before. But

45:29

it is about a lot of the same characters because

45:32

all this shit- And the same district. Here's what happened. Sylvia

45:35

Roscoe, that third member of that

45:37

Trinity on the school board, I

45:39

don't know what, I

45:40

don't remember exactly what happened, but she stopped

45:42

being on the school board and then things were

45:45

calm for a minute, or maybe there was someone else.

45:47

But right now, those two guys I mentioned,

45:49

Cruz and James Na, they're still

45:52

on the board. Sure. There is a third

45:54

member who just got elected from their

45:56

megachurch.

45:57

And Sylvia's gone? Sylvia's gone, the

45:59

new ladies.

45:59

name is Sonia Shaw. So

46:02

she's now the third member from the mega

46:04

church on the school board. By the way, there's a

46:06

fourth conservative on this on

46:08

this school board. He's just not part of the mega

46:10

church. So they have a four to one majority on this school

46:13

board. Okay, so the question

46:15

is, now that Sonia Shaw has a seat

46:17

on this mega church, she won that election, by

46:20

the way, with 317

46:22

votes. That was the margin of victory

46:24

for her people vote in school board

46:26

elections. She was also

46:29

elected to

46:29

be the board president

46:31

from her majority because they're all like, yeah, you

46:34

do it. Yeah. And here's the thing,

46:36

what are they doing with this? Well, they're passing

46:39

policy that bans pride flags in

46:41

classrooms. They want to force

46:43

educators to inform parents if their kids

46:45

identify as trans.

46:47

Woof. The state

46:49

of California has just filed a lawsuit against

46:52

this school district over that saying

46:54

stop putting kids in harm's way.

46:56

Scary. Like, like,

46:58

the thing with this shit is like, you

47:01

know, I joke about how these people are

47:04

monster people and everything. But rules

47:08

like this are going

47:11

to cost us lives. And

47:14

they don't if your kids are asking

47:16

their teacher, I go by this pronoun, or

47:18

you should call me by this name. That is

47:20

not the name that you have listed in your, you

47:22

know, roster.

47:24

If they're asking their teacher that but they're not telling

47:26

their parents that it's probably for a good

47:29

reason. And if your kids don't want to tell

47:31

you any of that stuff, maybe you're the

47:33

problem and not the school district. But

47:35

okay, this is the sort of shit they're doing

47:38

here. So in this Daily

47:40

Beast article, they spoke with Sean, she said,

47:42

I don't, I'm paraphrasing,

47:45

but like, I

47:46

and the school board, we do not

47:48

follow Jack Hibbs orders. Absolutely

47:51

not. No one has a direct

47:52

line to pass her Jack Hibbs. examples

47:55

where you deferred deferred. Here's what happened.

47:57

She taught last September when she was running.

48:00

She said she's not running for election on

48:02

behalf of the church like they

48:04

keep calling me the church's choice I've

48:07

never met pastor Jack. I've

48:09

never been brought up on stage basically

48:11

you go to his church We'll go to you follow him follow

48:13

him But like she's like I don't have any one-on-one

48:16

interactions with the dude a month

48:18

later Hibbs introduces her at the pulpit

48:21

Oh, uh-huh telling

48:22

the pulpit out the pulpit. I at the

48:24

pulpit this matters. I'm an apparently apparently Like

48:28

she got to know him pretty quickly there So

48:30

here's the thing

48:31

I don't I believe her when she says he doesn't

48:33

tell her what to do because he doesn't need to

48:36

write her a note Saying this is my agenda

48:38

and I need you to pass it but like we

48:40

can just see what he preaches in church It's all right-wing

48:43

Propaganda and he just knows that the people

48:45

in the church agree with him and that if

48:47

it's the school board members who happen to Be in church,

48:49

they're gonna do what I want them to do I

48:52

mean truly not to equate

48:54

what's his name Jack Hibbs to Charlie Manson, but I'm gonna

48:56

do it anyway in trials He

49:00

said very truthfully. I never

49:02

told anybody to do anything. I

49:04

didn't tell anybody to kill anybody I just

49:06

said hmm. I sure wish this problem

49:08

was taken care of and they knew what that meant

49:11

Yeah, and so I think

49:13

let's not be so naive about what

49:15

we're listening to or Agreeing

49:18

with here's

49:18

a very tangible example

49:20

of what happens when these people take over because not

49:22

just hypothetical It's not just these policies

49:25

that are out to hurt LGBTQ students

49:27

when one high school counselor in the district

49:30

Proposed building a private office

49:32

inside the school's Wellness Center so

49:35

kids could have mental health breaks Which

49:38

financially they would have taken care of that and stuff Shaw

49:42

as the school board presidents like basically

49:44

saying no you can't do that That space

49:47

could become a Planned Parenthood clinic

49:51

Wait what yeah, you wait no no say

49:53

it again because I clearly didn't a space in

49:55

that high school high school wellness

49:57

center Wellness Center for high school

50:00

could become a Planned Parenthood clinic.

50:02

Because they want somebody to be able to

50:04

go somewhere if they're feeling overwhelmed and need

50:06

to calm down. And that's how pregnancy happens.

50:09

And that move, when she started railing

50:12

and saying that stuff, spreading

50:14

that lie, it actually dissuaded

50:17

one group from fundraising for the project.

50:20

And led to a harassment campaign against some of the staffers

50:22

at the school.

50:23

Whoa, wait, go talk about

50:25

that more. I don't have more to say about it. Oh,

50:28

they're trying to indoctrinate

50:30

these kids. These are all groomers. That

50:33

sort of thing against the counselors

50:35

at the school. Because that's what happens with this right

50:37

wing propaganda.

50:39

And here's the thing. I will end on a

50:41

slightly. This is grim, Hament. It is grim. But

50:44

if people aren't going to vote in their school board elections,

50:47

sorry, this is what happens. Because the right

50:49

is organized. Christian nationalists

50:52

are organized. And they have enough candidates

50:54

who can just do whatever Jack Hibbs wants. The

50:57

one member of the board who is not one of

50:59

these crazy people, the Daily Beast spoke

51:01

with him too. And they're like, so what

51:03

you going to do, buddy?

51:04

And his response is basically,

51:07

look, I can't do anything. I'm an army

51:09

of one here. But he did say,

51:11

look, the next election is in November

51:13

of 2024.

51:15

Three seats are up for grabs. If

51:18

there is a coordinated attempt to get

51:20

three sane, sensible people,

51:22

they could be Christian. That's fine. But

51:25

sensible people who actually care about kids and

51:27

not promoting like magma cultism

51:29

and stuff, they could get shit done.

51:31

But that's the next opportunity to make this

51:34

happen. But that will take the

51:36

people in that community to coalesce

51:38

behind a slate of exactly three

51:40

candidates.

51:42

And whatever. If you have issues with who those

51:44

are, figure it out beforehand. Better emails.

51:47

Get three people. And then you've got

51:49

to get sane people to vote for them. Because

51:51

the church is going to come out and vote.

51:53

That's what's going to happen. That's

51:56

the case everywhere in the country. Those

51:58

people are organized because they

51:59

meet every week to get their marching

52:02

orders.

52:03

And so if everyone else who is not

52:05

as organized and don't have that infrastructure

52:07

can't get their shit together. And by

52:10

the way, we can, we've seen it happen. It

52:12

happened in 2020 for that election. Like

52:15

it happens in local elections all the time,

52:18

but you need organizers to meet people. Oh, this is not a foregone conclusion.

52:21

This is not doomed. This is just,

52:23

it needs to be taken care of. And people,

52:26

it often,

52:27

this is how political swings work. Like

52:30

something gets too extreme and finally people pay enough attention and

52:33

pull it back to the center. The

52:34

hope is that with the Moms for Liberty groups

52:36

and the anti-kids books, everything

52:38

sensible groups, if they're pissing off

52:41

enough people who

52:42

are willing to say, okay, this election

52:44

matters. It's local, no one else is paying attention,

52:47

but I'm gonna tell my friends to vote in it.

52:49

That stuff does change because those people

52:51

are in the minority, but it's an organized minority.

52:54

Right. Everyone

52:55

else needs to get their act together. That's

52:57

hard to deal with. Liberals

53:00

are like herding fucking cats, but man,

53:02

conservatives take their marching orders and march.

53:04

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53:09

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53:16

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54:49

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54:51

one's like

54:53

just plain stupid, not evil

54:55

stupid. There's a conservative conspiracy

54:58

theorist named Allie Beth

55:00

Stuckey.

55:01

She's one of those like, I work

55:03

on Glenn Beck's radio network

55:05

of stuff. Okay. Anyway,

55:09

last August in one of her

55:11

shows, she released

55:13

an episode of that show called, I

55:15

Don't Know If Dinosaurs Were Real.

55:18

Yeah, oh. Yeah, so this is, I'm

55:20

quoting her exactly. Would I play the clip for you?

55:22

I could, but I don't care enough. Here's

55:25

what she said.

55:26

This is a theory, okay? I'm just

55:28

gonna say this.

55:30

Dinosaurs never existed.

55:33

You've got these bones, you've got these fossils,

55:35

supposedly, and they supposedly,

55:39

and they supposedly date back millions

55:41

of years. And then I think it's a bunch of

55:43

nerds constructing this fantasy

55:45

world that they think is awesome. Like,

55:48

how do you know what the like, skin

55:50

of a pterodactyl looked like? How

55:52

do you know what it sounded like?

55:55

Like, how do you know these things,

55:57

really? And like, the different color

55:59

patterns?

55:59

and all of that, how are you picking

56:02

that up from bones? If

56:04

I were to pick a theory, I'm

56:06

like, uh, I could see dinosaurs

56:09

not being real.

56:10

Can I tell you? Do

56:13

you like my voice, thank you. I didn't like it,

56:15

I thought I was misogynistic, we'll talk about it off

56:17

mic. I truly

56:19

said the same thing to my brother

56:23

when I was 12

56:23

years old. Nicely done, yes. I am not

56:25

exaggerating, I remember it very, very vividly

56:28

because I was like, they could have had purple polka dots.

56:30

And my brother looked at me like the fucking

56:33

idiot I was and said,

56:35

why would they be purple polka dots? They have

56:37

to blend in with their background. And

56:40

boy, oh boy, my brother really

56:43

schooled me that day. And again, I

56:45

want to be very clear, I was 12 years old and

56:48

thought of that on the fly. I did not think

56:51

about it, formulate it, and then make a video

56:53

and be like, you know, has anybody

56:55

else ever noticed that

56:57

they don't have skin when

57:00

they're fossil?

57:01

Has anybody noticed this?

57:04

It's like Trump all over again. People are

57:06

talking about- How is my voice

57:08

imitating her misogynistic but what you

57:11

just did fine? Do you want to guess? You're

57:14

a woman. There it is. So,

57:18

these are kind of my favorite conspiracies. And

57:20

again, this is Trump all over, like I just

57:22

had a thought. And I think I'm the first

57:25

person to ever have this thought in

57:27

the entire history of mankind.

57:30

Also, is there any chance she's mixing up paleontologists

57:33

with people who play D&D? Because

57:35

it's a common mistake people make. Does

57:37

she know dragons are fake but dinosaurs are

57:39

real? Maybe she thinks dragons.

57:41

I mean, there's a case to be made. Listen, almost

57:44

every culture has some version of the dragon. Maybe

57:46

there's some truth to it. I think it's an interesting conversation

57:49

to have. But I don't think that's

57:51

the one she wants to have. I think

57:54

she literally for the first time

57:57

connected two dots and thinks

57:59

she's the-

57:59

smartest person on planet earth. She definitely

58:02

thinks that. Again who is she? Why do I care? I'm

58:05

getting there. So just to be clear dinosaurs

58:07

are real, we know they are real, we know what they look

58:10

like in a good sense because their fossils

58:12

sometimes have soft tissue inside that

58:14

tell us for example if they were covered in feathers.

58:16

Do

58:16

you want to hear something really dorky? Yes. I'm doing

58:18

the the newsletter for my barn

58:21

and there's always a like did you know

58:23

section that I get to really go

58:25

nuts in and I did the history of the

58:27

horse in North America recently and

58:30

I learned all sorts of interesting things about

58:32

they found some bones of prehistoric

58:34

horses up in Idaho and they think there

58:36

were horses here. Anyway, this

58:38

is all you do all day is ride horses

58:40

and like yell things from like a town

58:43

crier. Yeah I mean that's about

58:45

what I do. Yes.

58:48

Anyway all I have to say is it's

58:50

just

58:51

very funny to me that

58:54

two people can see the same information and

58:56

one person me can be like oh isn't

58:58

that interesting information. Scientists did

59:00

not think that there were horses in North America but then

59:03

they discovered them there are. Wow what an interesting

59:05

turn of events and she's like yeah

59:08

but did anybody check to

59:10

see if those bones were made of concrete because

59:12

I bet I bet they

59:14

were made of concrete. I bet nobody even thought to

59:16

analyze what they're about. Like it's these

59:19

things that make me fucking nuts of like

59:21

oh well how do they know but like here's the thing

59:23

Oh smarter people than you exist. Smarter

59:25

people than you in that field know

59:28

the answers to that so ask them

59:30

like we know how muscular some of these dinosaurs

59:32

were we know which ways they're eyes pointed

59:35

because of the ways they discovered

59:37

things their skulls are like and yes

59:39

there is some filling in the blanks as best

59:42

we can

59:42

but educated guesses and a lot of times they're

59:44

wrong. Yeah and educated guesses though

59:46

are not the same as stabs in the dark and

59:49

when scientists suggest we need to update

59:52

our understanding of dinosaurs like

59:54

she treats it as a game

59:57

she's like that this is what creationists do all

59:59

the time like scientists

59:59

discovered something that suggests they might

1:00:02

have been wrong in the past, that must mean

1:00:04

science is wrong. No, that means the process is

1:00:06

working. That's the game. And then

1:00:08

you try to solidify, I mean,

1:00:11

get the peer review in there, get people to

1:00:13

confirm it or reject it, figure it out.

1:00:16

But it's not a little game.

1:00:17

It's truly, it reminds me

1:00:20

of Leslie in Open Parks and Rec when somebody

1:00:22

accuses her of flip-flopping. She's like, no, I

1:00:24

just got more information. Like when I was five,

1:00:27

I thought chocolate milk came from brown cows.

1:00:29

And then I flip-flopped and learned

1:00:32

more and like...

1:00:34

And here's the thing, she is a host

1:00:37

on a radio show. She could get

1:00:39

a paleontologist. What

1:00:41

radio show? Who did she work for? Glenn Beck. We

1:00:44

did that. Yeah, I remember that now. She could do

1:00:46

basic Google searches while on the

1:00:48

air. Nope. Her entire

1:00:50

career, this is right-wing media for you, their entire

1:00:52

career is passing off ignorance as

1:00:55

insight. And she would rather ask stupid

1:00:57

questions than discuss smart answers.

1:00:59

Well, and I think the thing that

1:01:02

people really got tripped up

1:01:04

on is the fact that science

1:01:07

very frequently does not follow

1:01:10

what you and I would understand

1:01:12

to be like a linear fashion. Like

1:01:15

I'm still mad at the science cover

1:01:17

of my... The cover of my science book in

1:01:19

junior high when it was two clear substances,

1:01:22

one being poured in the other, and then it turned yellow

1:01:24

when they connected. And it's like some chemical

1:01:26

reaction. And I looked at that and I was like,

1:01:29

logic tells me there is no way

1:01:31

two clear liquids are going to combine to

1:01:33

make yellow. And yet,

1:01:36

science went ahead and proved

1:01:38

me wrong because I poured the two clear liquids and it came out

1:01:40

yellow. Like this idea

1:01:42

of like, well, my gut tells me that doesn't

1:01:45

feel right, is just people

1:01:47

using ignorance to replace the fear

1:01:49

of the unknown.

1:01:50

So why am I bringing

1:01:52

her up? Because she just said all this a year ago.

1:01:54

She actually... This isn't even new? Oh, no.

1:01:57

And then she posted an Instagram...

1:01:59

She discovered...

1:01:59

She said, on Instagram, she posted a reel

1:02:02

saying, a new study suggests T-Rexes

1:02:04

looked different than

1:02:06

popular depictions. What have I been saying? No

1:02:09

one actually knows what dinosaurs look like. The skin and sounds, especially,

1:02:14

just a bunch of nerds creating a

1:02:16

Jurassic fantasy. I have an important question.

1:02:17

The sound thing? Yes.

1:02:20

What is that? Do

1:02:22

they talk about sounds dinosaurs might have made? Because I'm genuinely

1:02:24

wondering. She just saw Jurassic Park.

1:02:27

And it's like, oh, you guys think that's a good thing? That's

1:02:30

exactly how they sound?

1:02:31

Pretty sure that's what she made. That is my guess, but

1:02:33

I'm willing to be wrong on that one. So what did she do this week? This

1:02:35

week, she posted an interview

1:02:38

that she had done with Ken Ham.

1:02:42

Oh, oh, I know. The patron saint

1:02:44

of creationism. That is correct. And giant

1:02:46

suits. And here's the thing. Yeah, he's also

1:02:49

a conspiracy theorist who believes a lot

1:02:51

of things that are untrue. But this is

1:02:53

interesting because he

1:02:54

definitely believes in dinosaurs

1:02:57

because he makes a big frigging deal about

1:02:59

dinosaurs all the time. Yeah, he

1:03:01

thinks they're like a couple thousand years old.

1:03:04

He's wrong. But he

1:03:06

does believe they existed.

1:03:08

He has a skeleton of a real

1:03:11

Allosaurus in the Creation Museum.

1:03:13

Does he? Yes. It was donated by a pro

1:03:15

secessionist neo-confederate Republican.

1:03:18

No notes? No notes. But it's

1:03:20

in there. By the way, he

1:03:22

also has dinosaurs in the Creation Museum that you

1:03:24

can ride. He has dinosaurs living

1:03:27

with humans

1:03:28

on Noah's Ark over at Ark Encounter. The

1:03:31

guy has a vested interest in convincing people

1:03:33

dinosaurs are real. And everything else

1:03:35

he says about them is wrong,

1:03:37

but they are real. So he

1:03:39

goes on her show. Clearly,

1:03:42

he's going to set her straight

1:03:44

on that dinosaurs are definitely real

1:03:47

thing, right? Because what happens

1:03:49

when someone who's a dinosaur

1:03:52

denier interviews a guy who's a

1:03:54

dinosaur

1:03:54

liar? Oh, that was good.

1:03:57

That was nice. I do love

1:03:59

when. two people have to confront their

1:04:01

own fictional views of the universe and

1:04:04

reconcile them with each other because they have

1:04:06

the exact same amount of information to point to,

1:04:08

which is nothing, and just making shit up.

1:04:10

Yeah. Here's what she

1:04:12

ended up saying in that interview. She's like,

1:04:14

you know, in the past, I've jokingly talked

1:04:17

about not knowing what dinosaurs looked like.

1:04:20

That wasn't a joke. She was never joking. Did she know

1:04:22

what a joke is? No. Which

1:04:25

is also a conservative thing. Sure. Humor

1:04:27

is not their strong suit. Not at all. Like, she

1:04:29

wasn't joking. No, no, no, no, no. In

1:04:31

anything she said. She didn't directly

1:04:34

bring up the fact that she had denied

1:04:36

their existence. But when she asked

1:04:38

Ken Ham, like, how do you know they existed

1:04:40

and what they looked like,

1:04:41

he basically was like,

1:04:44

yeah, I mean, you should be skeptical.

1:04:47

Here's what he said. Well, first of all,

1:04:49

you need to be skeptical about what they actually

1:04:52

look like, simply because when they find dinosaur

1:04:54

bones, they really only find a few.

1:04:57

There's not that many.

1:04:58

First of all, do I believe in dinosaurs?

1:05:01

And the answer is yes. But

1:05:04

let me explain. I've taken him. Dude.

1:05:07

Like, the weird thing is he actually

1:05:09

mentioned fossils and tissues and how we

1:05:11

can get a strong understanding of what dinosaurs look

1:05:13

like. But he also then, because

1:05:16

he's on her show, is like, yeah, scientists

1:05:18

go overboard. And like,

1:05:21

everything they do needs to be justified.

1:05:23

And it's not.

1:05:24

And she. That doesn't make sense either. That needs

1:05:27

to be justified. Like, what

1:05:29

they say shouldn't be taken at face

1:05:31

value is Ken Ham's whole thing. Like, scientists

1:05:34

say they're millions and whatever years

1:05:36

old. But like, you can't believe what scientists

1:05:39

tell you.

1:05:40

So he's just feeding her conspiracy. He

1:05:42

believes that scientists are right about

1:05:44

the existence of dinosaurs, but

1:05:46

is not willing to follow them down

1:05:48

any conclusions that may bring them to them.

1:05:51

I mean, that's his whole thing. So

1:05:53

what did he say? He's a fan. He

1:05:55

wants to listen to the things that agree

1:05:57

with him and ignore the things that don't. Is that what you're saying?

1:05:59

Is he trying to construct a little

1:06:02

echo chamber? I gotta tell you. Oh, hammy echo

1:06:04

chamber. It was wild trying to listen

1:06:06

to two conspiracy theorists who disagree

1:06:11

on the thing they're both wrong about and

1:06:14

trying to have a conversation where neither

1:06:16

one of them brings up why

1:06:18

the other is wrong about this thing because

1:06:20

they're too embarrassed to bring it up. And the

1:06:22

thing is, I think Ken Ham just wanted to stay

1:06:24

on her good side because she appeared at one of his conferences

1:06:27

last year, or this year, she may appear

1:06:29

more in the future.

1:06:30

I mean, it is an interesting tap dance. And I think

1:06:32

we're going to see a little bit more conservatives this

1:06:34

year of conservatives

1:06:37

are at large so combative. But

1:06:40

when they're on stage with a bunch of like-minded

1:06:43

people, they don't have

1:06:46

any tricks to throw at them because

1:06:48

they all believe essentially the same

1:06:50

thing. Does that make sense? It's

1:06:52

going to be like six conspiracy theories

1:06:55

up on stage who like, I'll probably

1:06:57

agree about Trump, but aren't going to say anything about

1:06:59

it. They're all kind of telling these like- I mean, wasn't that the

1:07:01

Republican debate that

1:07:03

was a couple of weeks ago, which is you have a couple of

1:07:05

Republicans when it comes to Ukraine, when it comes

1:07:07

to foreign policy, they're actually saying sensible

1:07:09

things,

1:07:11

but everyone's booing them because they're not fitting

1:07:13

the conspiracy theory that gets thrown out.

1:07:15

Oh, right. Because if they don't- And

1:07:17

if they're saying what Trump does, they get booed.

1:07:19

Right. And if any of that stuff. So like

1:07:22

if they say facts, those

1:07:24

have to come from somewhere. But they all

1:07:26

have to kind of agree beforehand what is truth

1:07:28

and what is not. Hey, how do we land on the big lie?

1:07:31

Are we all on board or whatever? Like it's

1:07:34

going to be wild to watch

1:07:36

these people try to like

1:07:38

make a version of reality that

1:07:40

actually matches all of their perspectives

1:07:43

because I don't know that it exists. It

1:07:45

was very amusing. Oh, boy. Monsters.

1:07:49

Let me jump to the Jersey Shore, which

1:07:51

I haven't done in a while. I

1:07:54

did not know this, but like basically all the

1:07:57

areas of the Jersey Shore where there's beach

1:07:59

front property.

1:07:59

and stuff. It's public property,

1:08:02

but like I guess certain groups,

1:08:04

private groups, can manage like

1:08:07

access to it and stuff. And that was surprising.

1:08:09

I just want that. You

1:08:10

know what's wild is I just saw my sister-in-law

1:08:12

who's from Jersey over the weekend and she

1:08:14

was telling us about like basically

1:08:16

like in New York near Jersey, like you have to

1:08:19

pay to access the beach. Sure. Which

1:08:21

is something I've never heard of and is upsetting to me.

1:08:23

And

1:08:23

okay, so I'm not gonna get into the weeds. It's like against God,

1:08:25

but whatever. I'm not gonna get into the weeds about how

1:08:28

that all works because I don't know

1:08:30

the answer. And I don't actually care. But the thing that's relevant

1:08:32

for this story is in a city called

1:08:34

Ocean Grove. The Ocean Grove

1:08:37

Camp Meeting Association, like the

1:08:39

local group that manages their part

1:08:41

of the beach, it's basically

1:08:44

a Methodist group that runs it and they're

1:08:46

all really extreme Christian

1:08:49

like cultish. It's a Methodist.

1:08:52

This particular group

1:08:53

of Methodists is basically thinking, yeah,

1:08:56

we own this joint and we're gonna Christianize

1:08:58

everything.

1:09:00

No idea what you're

1:09:02

singing. It's a song called Run This Town. Never heard

1:09:04

of it. They're gonna run the town. I see. For Christ. So.

1:09:07

Gonna run this town for Christ. Ayy,

1:09:09

it worked.

1:09:10

Sure. So they built a

1:09:12

pier last year. The Hurricane

1:09:14

Sandy destroyed the pier on the beach.

1:09:16

So they wanted to rebuild it. So they did a fundraiser

1:09:19

to raise the money.

1:09:19

Did they own the pier at the prior pier? I think

1:09:22

so. Okay. So they were like, we're rebuilding the

1:09:24

pier on the beach. And

1:09:26

so guess what they did? Come around. Come look

1:09:28

at the picture I am looking at because this

1:09:30

is the pier that opened earlier this

1:09:32

year. Oh

1:09:33

my god. Please,

1:09:36

please tell our people what they

1:09:39

did to this pier. Oh my god.

1:09:41

There's nerds. It's a pier

1:09:43

and at the end it's a cross and the top

1:09:46

half is silver. So it's like, don't get

1:09:48

it twisted. There isn't an incidental crossing

1:09:50

in this pier. It is a Jesus

1:09:52

flavored cross. Yes. Remember, remember

1:09:54

where Jesus died? Think about that every time you

1:09:56

jump into the ocean, you fucking nerds.

1:09:58

Yes. And so if you go to the... website

1:10:00

for the Ocean Grove Association.

1:10:03

The mission of this group is rooted in

1:10:05

its Methodist heritage. It's to

1:10:08

provide opportunities for spiritual

1:10:10

birth, growth, and renewal through

1:10:12

worship, yada, yada, yada, in a Christian

1:10:14

seaside setting.

1:10:16

But I mean, do they own

1:10:18

the pier? Apparently. Like, is there any reason

1:10:21

this is illegal? It has a unique charter.

1:10:23

I'm quoting from NJ.com, the

1:10:25

New Jersey paper. It

1:10:27

has a unique charter that allows it to

1:10:29

set some of its own rules, this

1:10:32

particular group.

1:10:34

And so they were sued in 2007 because

1:10:37

they said, no one can use our boardwalk

1:10:39

for civil union ceremonies. Oh,

1:10:41

fuck. And they were sued over that. And

1:10:44

they lost because you were violating New

1:10:46

Jersey anti-discrimination laws.

1:10:50

And

1:10:50

what did they say? In response,

1:10:52

this Methodist group is like, fine, then we

1:10:54

won't allow anyone to use the boardwalk

1:10:57

for wedding ceremonies. Take

1:10:59

your ball and go home, guys. It's the only

1:11:01

solution. That's how they reacted to

1:11:03

this stuff. So

1:11:06

the special rules are what gave them the ability

1:11:08

to construct that $2 million Christian cross

1:11:11

pier.

1:11:12

Yes. And here's the latest controversy. Between

1:11:15

Memorial— That's not the end of the story? No, I have to set you

1:11:17

up for the real story. The real story is

1:11:20

that between Memorial Day and Labor

1:11:22

Day, which just happened, which is about 15

1:11:24

weeks, no one was allowed

1:11:27

to use that beach

1:11:29

until noon on Sunday.

1:11:32

Like Sunday morning when it's daylight

1:11:35

and technically the law says anyone can use

1:11:37

the beach during daylight and someone can

1:11:39

manage it,

1:11:40

but like you can use the beach in the

1:11:42

daylight. They said, nope,

1:11:44

not here, not until noon. Everyone's

1:11:46

got to go to church.

1:11:47

And they padlocked

1:11:49

it and they put chains around the entrances

1:11:52

so no one could get in during that time.

1:11:54

Just like Jesus would do. But

1:11:56

do they—I feel like I haven't

1:11:58

understood. Do they own the property?

1:11:59

They manage the property

1:12:02

and I think New Jersey law says yeah

1:12:04

Anyone can use the beach the public

1:12:06

beaches when it's daylight something

1:12:09

like that But individual groups

1:12:11

community groups whatever they can control

1:12:13

the flow of traffic They can deliver like the

1:12:15

permits like you might have to buy a beach

1:12:18

pass to get access and they can

1:12:20

control

1:12:20

that Well,

1:12:22

they're purposely saying no one's allowed to use this

1:12:24

before noon because we want to go to

1:12:26

church It just sucks and

1:12:29

they actually said there was a good secular reason

1:12:31

for doing this Yeah, cuz you eat such a big

1:12:33

Sunday morning breakfast and you gotta nap it off You

1:12:36

don't get a cramp and drown they said during this point

1:12:38

five percent of the year The

1:12:40

view of the ocean from our boardwalk

1:12:43

and pier is of sublime natural

1:12:45

beauty without the visual elements

1:12:48

of beach umbrellas Tents and

1:12:50

masses of people see it's just coincidence

1:12:53

that natural beauty needs to be preserved

1:12:55

The busiest swimming days of the

1:12:57

year

1:12:57

they want to preserve God's beauty

1:12:59

so the so God's creations

1:13:02

don't destroy them Correct. Oh,

1:13:04

yeah. No, no, I understand how religion works now But

1:13:06

I guess the legal problem here is

1:13:08

that you're actually preventing people with disabilities

1:13:10

from accessing the water But during that

1:13:13

time on Sundays say more about that.

1:13:15

That's it. Like that's another legal problem

1:13:17

I guess township police have

1:13:20

not removed the padlocks and

1:13:22

the chains and that actually violates

1:13:24

federal Law protecting access for people

1:13:26

with disabilities. This is according to

1:13:28

a guy who found a local watchdog group. That's really

1:13:31

trying to

1:13:31

But

1:13:34

basically on the They're

1:13:36

basically saying the way this

1:13:38

Christian group is preventing access. It

1:13:41

violates, New Jersey law They're doing

1:13:43

it because they're Christian and they think they can get away

1:13:45

with It violates federal

1:13:47

law and the thing is someone needs to file

1:13:50

the lawsuit and no one's stepping up to do

1:13:52

that

1:13:52

So they just need to grab on to something

1:13:54

there actually was a story of

1:13:56

how these people actually could go

1:13:59

after them Here's the the thing on this

1:14:01

beach there's a Christian flag that flies

1:14:03

next to the US flag which is

1:14:05

not illegal but it's a thing to note. Beach

1:14:08

badges this is the interesting thing you got to buy

1:14:11

a badge if you want access to the beach and this

1:14:13

group controls the badges fine

1:14:16

they're allowed to do that those

1:14:18

badges if you buy it

1:14:20

the picture on the badge it includes a cross

1:14:24

that's something that could be illegal because

1:14:26

that's a government thing you are selling

1:14:29

and it's very yeah it's like if

1:14:31

your town seal has a religious

1:14:34

symbol

1:14:34

on it freedom from religion foundation

1:14:36

has done a bunch of those letters and possible lawsuits

1:14:39

by the way beach umbrellas that are available

1:14:41

for rent on the beach they're also decorated

1:14:44

with crosses

1:14:45

there's a cross on the dunes at the

1:14:47

beach the message is clear like they

1:14:49

don't want they don't want Jews here they don't want atheists

1:14:52

here they don't want Hindus Muslims no

1:14:54

no no you can visit if you want as long as you

1:14:56

know Christians run

1:14:57

the ship. Can I put forward a controversial

1:15:00

thought? Yes. Yeah

1:15:03

let them do this bullshit and then

1:15:05

and then no I

1:15:06

mean like the Christian group yeah

1:15:08

the Christian group let them pull this bullshit

1:15:11

like I think we should just start letting these fucking

1:15:14

nerds dig their own graves

1:15:16

like how are they digging the grave? Oh you guys

1:15:18

want to be the church that bans people

1:15:20

from the beach on Sunday

1:15:22

mornings cool good PR ski

1:15:25

gang like true like if

1:15:26

they're not stopping like people are coming

1:15:28

to the beach they're not gonna not have

1:15:30

people visiting it because there's a lot of people that want

1:15:33

to go to that particular area just

1:15:34

to me it's just like yeah like let these

1:15:37

people like bury themselves in a court like

1:15:39

I just feel like you're

1:15:40

saying if there was a lawsuit they're gonna lose it so

1:15:43

let them do it and let them die in court

1:15:45

I mean not even I'm saying let them

1:15:47

die on the on the altar

1:15:50

of public opinion but they're not it

1:15:52

hasn't happened yet I'm not saying that it's happening now

1:15:55

I'm just saying things like this if

1:15:57

they're gonna keep expanding their reach. There are people who

1:15:59

live in Alabama.

1:15:59

Okay, but we're... Like, it's not

1:16:02

gonna stop. The

1:16:05

litigation could work.

1:16:07

Right now, because Labor Day is done, they're back

1:16:09

to normal beach hours and stuff,

1:16:12

but the argument here is

1:16:14

they can't... Even if they said,

1:16:16

look, we're just closing off the time

1:16:19

from until noon on Sundays,

1:16:21

there could be a secular reason, whatever

1:16:23

their stupid excuses. They could say we're

1:16:25

doing it for secular reasons, even though it

1:16:27

coincides with church service times,

1:16:30

and they could legally get away with that. The

1:16:32

argument for a potential lawsuit is

1:16:35

that you can't block access to

1:16:37

the beach with these chains and padlocks

1:16:40

because it violates the ADA. Maybe

1:16:42

there are secular reasons that they can't get

1:16:44

away with, and there could be a lawsuit

1:16:46

filed, but it seems like litigation

1:16:49

is the only way for these people to change

1:16:51

what they're doing. That's what worked in the past

1:16:53

when it came to we're not letting gay people have civil

1:16:55

unions here, and their answer was fine.

1:16:58

No one gets to have them, which is stupid,

1:17:00

but fine. That is your answer

1:17:03

to it, but that's the thing. If

1:17:05

you want them to suffer, the way to let them suffer is

1:17:07

find a secular reason to sue them, let

1:17:10

them lose in court, and if the answer is fine, then we're

1:17:12

shutting down access to the entire beach and

1:17:14

tossing the local economy out the window too.

1:17:17

Then yes, then they could die on their own

1:17:19

petard or whatever you wanna call that, and

1:17:22

that would be fine too. But right now, it

1:17:24

doesn't look like anyone's filing a lawsuit, and

1:17:26

when the ACLU was contacted about

1:17:28

like, what are you doing about this? Their

1:17:30

answer is, well, we might be able to ... They

1:17:33

said the beach badges with the cross on

1:17:35

them raises serious legal concerns,

1:17:38

which is kind of a weak response given that

1:17:40

everything else they're doing. It

1:17:43

was a weird situation. Yeah,

1:17:45

I mean, that's fine. All right. I'm

1:17:48

gonna jump to a story about our favorite Christian

1:17:50

liar, David Barton. Oh my God.

1:17:53

He hate him. This is basically

1:17:55

a guy who's made a career out of distorting the

1:17:57

words of the founding fathers and the Bible.

1:17:59

in defense of Christian nationalism,

1:18:02

homophobia, bigotry, and then

1:18:04

politicians in the Republican

1:18:07

Party parrot his lies

1:18:09

in defense of whatever it is they want to do.

1:18:11

And they try to publish his books as textbooks.

1:18:13

They use

1:18:15

things that he has said in their textbooks,

1:18:17

yep,

1:18:17

this guy wrote a famously wrote a book about Thomas

1:18:20

Jefferson that was so full of misinformation

1:18:22

that his Christian publishers pulled

1:18:24

the books from the shelves saying, yeah,

1:18:27

this guy's lying too much. They kept the

1:18:29

Bible up, but they took down this

1:18:31

guy's book. But recently he

1:18:34

appeared on the Truth and Liberty Coalition's

1:18:37

show and he called out politicians

1:18:40

who cheat and break the rules

1:18:42

in order to win elections. He

1:18:45

said that's a bad thing, no one should do

1:18:47

that.

1:18:47

Was he talking about Donald Trump? He

1:18:50

was not. Oh, who's he talking about? Yeah, generally

1:18:53

the Democrat Party is a very secular

1:18:56

party. The Democrat Party? The Democrat

1:18:58

Party. That's the Republican. Democratic

1:19:01

Party? That's the correct way to say it,

1:19:03

but this is the pejorative way that Republicans

1:19:06

talk about. You're

1:19:07

lying. You're making this up. Marjorie Taylor

1:19:09

Greene does it all the time. The Democrat Party? They said

1:19:11

the Democrat Party. As

1:19:14

if that's a bad thing. You're just saying it's slightly

1:19:16

wrong. The Republic Party got you fucking

1:19:19

burnt. That's exactly how they operate.

1:19:21

Yes, here's David Barton again. Children.

1:19:23

They tend to be very secular and the

1:19:25

more secular you are the less God-fearing

1:19:27

you are, which means the less restraints you

1:19:29

have on your behavior. Can't

1:19:30

fault him on that, Matt. The more

1:19:33

secular you are, the less you're afraid of God.

1:19:35

Good job, Dave. Republicans

1:19:38

believe in God, which is why they're

1:19:40

not going to break the rules just

1:19:42

to win. What rules?

1:19:44

God's rules? Politics. God's rules?

1:19:47

No, he's talking about cheating in elections. He's

1:19:50

saying Republicans

1:19:52

believe in God, which is why they're not going

1:19:54

to break the rules just to win an election.

1:19:57

Democrats don't have that.

1:19:59

Democrats don't have that moral restraint of

1:20:02

being God-fearing. You know, one day I'm

1:20:04

going to count to God and he's going to say, why did you cheat

1:20:06

in that election? Well, if you don't believe that, then

1:20:08

why not cheat in an election? So

1:20:11

you have less moral restraints, which

1:20:13

means the end does justify

1:20:15

the means, I'm quoting him, which means you're

1:20:17

willing to do more things to make sure your side

1:20:20

wins. You win at all costs. He

1:20:22

is saying, Democrats, because

1:20:25

we don't fear God,

1:20:26

will cheat in order to win an election

1:20:29

when there is no evidence of that. But

1:20:31

there is overwhelming evidence, like you

1:20:33

were saying, of Republicans

1:20:36

doing that exact same thing

1:20:38

over and over. All the fraud

1:20:40

cases, Republicans. All the

1:20:43

top down Donald Trump is telling

1:20:45

the guy in Georgia, just find me some votes,

1:20:48

that's Republicans. Everyone he

1:20:50

corralled into his little conspiracy,

1:20:54

yes, Republican. Like they're all

1:20:56

part of it. So how

1:20:59

blatantly,

1:21:00

how blatant of a liar does this guy have to

1:21:02

be

1:21:04

to accuse Democrats of doing something they don't

1:21:06

do

1:21:08

because they don't believe in his

1:21:10

God? Like Republicans stormed the

1:21:12

Capitol. They pressured people to lie

1:21:14

and find votes that were never cast. They literally

1:21:17

got convicted of voting multiple times.

1:21:20

And he just writes all

1:21:22

that off. Doesn't mention any of it, never

1:21:24

existed. And

1:21:26

by the way, not that I, this is the point, but the Democratic Party

1:21:29

is not a secular. I

1:21:32

thought you were having a tiny stroke on there. No,

1:21:34

it's not a secular party. Of the

1:21:36

Democrats in Congress, 76% are Christian, 12%

1:21:39

are Jewish, 4% belong

1:21:42

to other faiths.

1:21:43

One dude is openly humanist

1:21:46

and the other is Kirsten Sinema and no one knows what the

1:21:48

hell she is. Yeah, nobody's coming home. Democrats

1:21:50

are not godless in any meaningful way,

1:21:53

as much as I wish they were. And

1:21:55

they're not cheating in elections. But this guy

1:21:57

who lies in the name of Jesus all the time.

1:21:59

just pretends otherwise.

1:22:02

And by the way, this is from Kyle

1:22:05

Mantile at Right-Wing Watch. Barton,

1:22:07

of course, has a history of projecting his

1:22:09

own side's illegality onto

1:22:11

Democrats, such as when he proclaimed

1:22:14

in 2019 that Christian candidates

1:22:16

would never illegally harvest ballots

1:22:19

shortly after North Carolina had to schedule

1:22:21

a new election because the Republican candidate,

1:22:24

who Barton had endorsed,

1:22:26

had engaged in illegal ballot harvesting.

1:22:30

But if you don't portray yourself as

1:22:32

somebody who has a backbone, and

1:22:34

if you don't portray yourself as somebody who has really

1:22:37

any foundational beliefs

1:22:39

besides everybody around me is lying, unless

1:22:42

they exactly agree with me,

1:22:44

what is he going to feel badly about

1:22:46

it? No, he doesn't give a shit

1:22:49

like this. He doesn't

1:22:49

give a shit and he doesn't talk to anyone willing

1:22:51

to call him out on any of this. And when he's

1:22:54

like fucking Harold Hill, he's just going

1:22:56

from town to town spreading lies and

1:22:58

nobody's catching on because he... Oh,

1:23:01

they caught

1:23:01

on. The Republicans just don't care. They

1:23:04

all know what he's doing. They all

1:23:06

know he's lying and they don't care because

1:23:09

they're more willing to accept it. But you're saying

1:23:11

Republican representatives, I'm talking about like human

1:23:13

beings who just live on planet

1:23:15

Earth. Oh, they just accept it. Because he

1:23:17

says I'm reading the primary documents,

1:23:19

you guys. He has no ability

1:23:22

to decipher what those documents are saying.

1:23:24

I mean, it's truly like fucking Catholicism.

1:23:27

I'm like, you guys don't have to read it yourself. Trust

1:23:29

me. I got it. I got it. It's

1:23:32

boring.

1:23:32

You'd hate it anyway. And when the person saying

1:23:34

that is just wrong about everything like,

1:23:37

and there's plenty of papers,

1:23:39

the paper trail of his lies is

1:23:42

extensive. None of that matters

1:23:44

for the people who are just inclined to

1:23:46

believe everything a Christian says. And

1:23:48

if you never admit that you're

1:23:50

wrong, nobody is ever

1:23:53

going to a hundred percent

1:23:55

like abandon you. I think that's

1:23:57

the key to all of this. This happened a

1:23:59

while ago. but I don't know if people remember this. He

1:24:01

literally said he had earned a PhD.

1:24:05

That was a hoax. He was given

1:24:08

an honorary PhD from

1:24:11

one of those fake Christian colleges that just

1:24:13

hands him out like candy.

1:24:15

And he would say, yeah, I'm

1:24:17

a doctor. Yeah, I have a PhD.

1:24:20

And he would use that in like his bio and stuff. Ravi

1:24:22

Zacharias, the predator.

1:24:23

That guy did the same thing. Like

1:24:26

they get honorary degrees from like

1:24:28

Christian schools that just hand him out. And they're like,

1:24:30

yes, I'm a PhD. I've earned this. I'm

1:24:33

even smarter than you think.

1:24:34

I have an important question for you, Hemant. Yeah, yes. What's

1:24:37

your alma mater? Your depal. University

1:24:40

of Illinois. Wasn't depal your master's?

1:24:42

Yeah. OK. You were a civil inouye. So

1:24:45

if you have I called you up and was like, hey,

1:24:47

Hemant, it's me, John, you have I. Yes,

1:24:49

that's the same. We want to offer you an honorary

1:24:51

doctorate. Would

1:24:53

you take it? Oh, sure. And would you go by doctor

1:24:56

for the rest of your life? No. I might.

1:24:58

No. I might. You're not allowed to. That's

1:25:00

the rule of honorary doctorate. Your

1:25:04

title is you're a guy who was a given

1:25:06

an honorary doctorate. You don't get to

1:25:08

call yourself doctor. I want one so bad. You

1:25:10

can't put PhD anywhere, anywhere. Because you

1:25:12

didn't earn that.

1:25:13

Can I put MD though? You can absolutely

1:25:15

put MD anywhere you want. I

1:25:18

do that. And people believe me. Oh, yeah. Well, you're brown.

1:25:21

They think I'm a brown person. That is correct. I'm just

1:25:23

going to have a white doctor in like 10 years. I'm

1:25:25

surprised Vivek Ramaswamy hasn't done it yet.

1:25:28

It's coming. It will. All

1:25:31

right. I'm going to close off with I

1:25:33

just wanted to hear your reaction to this quotation

1:25:36

from the transformed wife.

1:25:38

I hate that badge. I know. Here

1:25:41

you go. She just starts off

1:25:43

in the middle of a thought. She doesn't have a preamble

1:25:45

here. I don't want to listen to this. I want to listen to her dumb voice. It's

1:25:47

just Twitter. OK. Here's her tweet. Here's

1:25:49

her tweet. Let's hear it. She, I don't

1:25:52

know who, she is thinking of putting

1:25:54

her young son into

1:25:56

the public school. I warned

1:25:58

her that they may.

1:25:59

Ask him if he wants to be a girl.

1:26:02

If she doesn't want him to be, they

1:26:05

will take him from her, cut off

1:26:07

his penis and give him hormones.

1:26:10

Protect your children, mothers.

1:26:12

Honestly, you guys,

1:26:14

I haven't been straightforward at this. My

1:26:17

name is actually Jason. I told

1:26:19

my teacher in first grade that I wanted to

1:26:21

be a girl and she just grabbed me, just

1:26:23

cut off my penis with the scissors on

1:26:26

her desk, which I thought was wild.

1:26:28

And then just a dull,

1:26:31

rusty, and then just like a white bottle

1:26:33

of pills. And it was one of the craft

1:26:35

scissors with the saws, like the saw blade

1:26:37

type of, yeah, curly

1:26:39

cue.

1:26:40

No, safety scissors, they were covered in plastic,

1:26:42

so she didn't cut me accidentally. Ouch.

1:26:45

And then she just grabbed a bottle of just

1:26:48

generic pills from

1:26:50

behind your desk, dumped a handful

1:26:52

of them and just handed them to me and said, go nuts, girl.

1:26:55

Yeah, have some fentanyl. Have some fentanyl.

1:26:57

We know you need more energy. Fentanyl

1:26:59

is like speed, right? I have no idea. I'm so dumb

1:27:01

about drugs. Anyway, this woman,

1:27:04

this is the definition of

1:27:06

warning. Woman makes a fictional

1:27:08

scenario and then gets real mad about it.

1:27:11

The thing is, she's insane.

1:27:13

But like, there are so many people who

1:27:15

believe this sort of shit happens in public

1:27:17

schools and they're all running for school board

1:27:20

and they're all like, I'm a mama

1:27:22

bear. And they're all this insane.

1:27:25

And all the critics of public schools have no

1:27:27

idea how public schools actually work. First of all,

1:27:29

even if this were theoretically possible,

1:27:32

do you know how little time

1:27:34

teachers have during the day to cut

1:27:36

off kids genitalia and put to them? No,

1:27:39

they have none. And truly, even when

1:27:41

I do have the time, someone's always stole my scissors.

1:27:44

My scissors are always missing. They have my name on them.

1:27:46

I know, like you want me, you think people are like

1:27:48

stabbing each other with pencils? You can't find a pencil

1:27:51

in a classroom. Just ask any kid in math

1:27:53

class. Okay, here's

1:27:55

the other one from the transformed wife. You haven't

1:27:57

taught math for like 10 years.

1:27:59

that kids showed up without pencils? They

1:28:02

always ask for them. They

1:28:04

always are like, it's fine if I use pen,

1:28:07

right? I'm like, no, because you don't know any

1:28:09

of the answers. You're going to have to, you

1:28:11

specifically, kid, will have to erase everything.

1:28:13

One time when I went out with you. It's

1:28:16

not the smarties that come in with a pen. No,

1:28:18

they know how to do stuff. It's the

1:28:20

ones who get everything wrong that are like, can I use

1:28:22

permanent marker on my

1:28:24

calculus

1:28:25

test? It's like, oh, god. I decided

1:28:27

I was really going to dedicate myself to being tidy.

1:28:29

And so I did my math homework and erased all

1:28:31

of the work and just left the answers as

1:28:34

a gift to my teacher. And she was like, honey,

1:28:37

I think you completely misunderstood what we're doing

1:28:39

here.

1:28:39

OK, here's the second one from

1:28:41

her. Oh, oh, there's more? Oh, there's one more.

1:28:43

Figured I'd do both.

1:28:45

Adultery has dramatically increased

1:28:48

since women left their homes for

1:28:50

the workforce. When you put men

1:28:52

and women together all day long, it's

1:28:55

the perfect recipe for adultery. God

1:28:57

wants women to be keepers at home and

1:29:00

help meets to their husbands for

1:29:02

many good reasons. This is one.

1:29:04

Help meets to slaves. Slaves

1:29:06

is what she's getting at. Just be a servant to

1:29:08

your husband. But the point is, if you're

1:29:10

working outside the home, you may run

1:29:13

into men. And if you're working

1:29:15

with men, then

1:29:16

obviously, everyone will

1:29:19

adult her.

1:29:20

I truly, this

1:29:22

has been a thing that's genuinely made

1:29:24

me nuts since as long

1:29:26

as I can remember is this sort of like,

1:29:29

if you put men and women together for long

1:29:32

enough, they're just going to fuck. And

1:29:34

like, A, it's so heteronormative.

1:29:36

It makes me want to cry. Well, then be like, I

1:29:39

have

1:29:40

guy friend. Like, were

1:29:43

friends, right? No. Oh,

1:29:45

OK, I have guy friend. I

1:29:49

think you are right, though. She is advocating.

1:29:52

Husbands can have work affairs with other men.

1:29:54

There's nothing stopping that in her world. I'd pay

1:29:57

to watch that movie. Steel Mill. That she gets cheated

1:29:59

off. by her husband with another man

1:30:02

and then it's like them trying to figure out maybe a throuple.

1:30:04

Ooh I should write this book. This

1:30:06

sort of weird...

1:30:08

If the Mike Pence rule, the Billy Graham rule, like

1:30:10

you can't be around the opposite sex

1:30:12

in any situation because if

1:30:15

you put a stranger

1:30:17

man and a stranger woman together in

1:30:19

the same room even in a professional setting

1:30:22

only one thing could possibly

1:30:24

happen. It's like

1:30:26

you could just have some self-control you

1:30:28

know you could just be professional

1:30:30

you could just not be interested.

1:30:32

Yeah

1:30:32

I mean you could be loyal

1:30:35

to your partner. You could

1:30:37

do many things that don't involve

1:30:39

this particular scenario which is

1:30:41

in their minds the only scenario.

1:30:45

Yeah it just seems... It

1:30:48

doesn't seem like an exhausting way to live

1:30:50

your life of just like every other

1:30:52

woman in the fucking planet is a threat

1:30:54

to my marriage. I trust my husband so

1:30:57

little that I'm truly afraid

1:30:59

that if he has like a female co-worker

1:31:02

on a different floor he's gonna trip and her dick is gonna

1:31:04

fall into her pussy. I'm so sorry I said that. That

1:31:06

was lewd. We have

1:31:07

talked about this a long time ago where

1:31:10

there...

1:31:10

I can't remember specifics but there were scenarios

1:31:13

where a guy would say oh yeah I was a camp

1:31:15

counselor at like a Bible camp one summer

1:31:17

and another female counselor

1:31:20

said hey it's like a mile walk

1:31:22

to like the dorms or something can

1:31:24

you drive me to the dorm he's like no

1:31:27

I must not

1:31:29

drive away it's like the woman's

1:31:31

left behind like well shit I gotta walk

1:31:33

in the dark a mile that's not

1:31:36

better. It's like online when men are like oh

1:31:38

women don't want blah blah blah but they want

1:31:40

men's protection and it's like from whom?

1:31:43

Protection from whom? By

1:31:45

the

1:31:46

way the conclusion the conclusion

1:31:48

that she's drawing here is because men and women cannot

1:31:50

be together in the workplace women just

1:31:52

stay home and be a servant to your husband.

1:31:55

That's where she's going with this. I have a question

1:31:57

though and I think this is genuinely

1:32:00

an interesting line of discussion.

1:32:03

Do you think that

1:32:06

she believes this with her whole heart, because

1:32:09

she was raised in society where men's predatory

1:32:12

natures are tolerated, that

1:32:15

she has only had negative

1:32:17

interactions with men in one-on-one

1:32:19

situations, and is therefore

1:32:22

like, I know how men do, like you

1:32:24

can't be alone with a man, because every time I've been alone with

1:32:26

a man, he did something untoward toward him. That

1:32:28

would

1:32:28

be a better

1:32:30

villain origin story than

1:32:32

the real one, which is, I think she's- Just

1:32:34

brainwashed. She's brainwashed for like 50 years

1:32:37

now or something. Like she's been like this her

1:32:39

whole, according to her own life story here, she's

1:32:41

been like this for quite a

1:32:43

long time in her marriage.

1:32:44

It's so sad. Like I had just so many

1:32:47

male friends whose

1:32:50

relationship I cherish, and

1:32:52

I've learned from them, and- Right,

1:32:55

they're called friends. Yeah, it

1:32:58

genuinely saddens me to know

1:33:00

that in some sense. God,

1:33:03

just these people are so intent

1:33:07

on pretending that there are these like

1:33:10

demons lurking around every corner

1:33:12

when really, if you guys just like chilled

1:33:14

the fuck out,

1:33:16

things would be much better. Crime

1:33:19

happens because people are destitute

1:33:21

and desperate. Stop making people

1:33:24

poor, and they'll probably stop

1:33:26

robbing shit because nobody, not nobody,

1:33:29

few people rob shit as their first

1:33:31

option. Few people are like violent

1:33:34

unless they have not learned better because

1:33:37

these people believe truly

1:33:39

in their hearts that men and women cannot

1:33:41

be in a room together, so they separate

1:33:43

them, make them seem like fucking

1:33:45

poison to each other. It's like the whole

1:33:47

sex thing of like, oh, sex is

1:33:50

evil, sex is evil, sex is evil, until you get married, and

1:33:52

then guess what? Your whole brain is gonna be super

1:33:54

chill with like being intimate

1:33:56

with a person of the opposite gender, even though

1:33:58

you've been told your whole life

1:33:59

how evil it is. The switch goes off

1:34:02

at the altar. That's

1:34:04

what you do. The boogeymen that

1:34:06

they're. Stomp on the glass, you

1:34:08

say mazel tov, and then you flick the

1:34:10

switch, and then that's the

1:34:12

wedding. I don't know that

1:34:15

Jewish culture is as obsessed

1:34:17

with sexual purity, so I'm not going

1:34:19

to travel down that road.

1:34:23

The things that sadden me are, A, they are

1:34:26

taking experiences away from people

1:34:29

that could be helpful and good.

1:34:32

But also that they

1:34:36

are painting a world

1:34:38

full of boogeymen that don't

1:34:40

really exist. Yeah, and the boogeymen is

1:34:43

everyone who's not your

1:34:45

spouse. And everyone who could

1:34:47

be your spouse until they're your spouse. Boogeymen,

1:34:51

people who are sexually assaulted

1:34:53

or physically assaulted, it's not some

1:34:55

random stranger. It's

1:34:59

your boyfriend. It's your uncle. It's your

1:35:01

whatever. Like,

1:35:03

it really frightens me to tell

1:35:06

kids that the danger is everywhere,

1:35:09

and you can trust everybody as long as they're Christ-like.

1:35:12

Because I don't know if you've read any books,

1:35:15

but not everybody who purports

1:35:17

to be Christ-like

1:35:19

acts as such. And so

1:35:21

these kids have no defense. They

1:35:26

have no way of understanding that authority isn't

1:35:28

infallible if they're told that. And

1:35:31

if they're told that the evil is just like

1:35:33

gay people walking around, it's such

1:35:35

a scary world for those kids. They're

1:35:38

just like teeing them up to be

1:35:40

absolute like,

1:35:42

I'm sorry. I'm

1:35:44

just so frustrated. Thanks, transformed

1:35:47

wife. So much. Scary

1:35:49

thing is she's some kook online.

1:35:52

She's real, I swear. But like there are. What's

1:35:54

it like Helen or something surprising? But

1:35:56

there are so many other younger, also.

1:35:59

fundamentalist Christians who are parroting all

1:36:02

the same stuff and It's

1:36:04

just as bad and their whole thing is we're trying

1:36:06

to sell this to other young Christian

1:36:09

women

1:36:11

listen, I I've had many conversations

1:36:14

with young women who are deep