In this fascinating conversation with David Palmer, a visionary, who is also the blockchain lead for Vodafone, we range widely across digital transformation, including the fact that we're all increasingly cyborgs living in a digital, as well as physical environment.

The potential to increase human joy and human creativity through digital transformation, based on blockchain and DeFi, and the future at not just government level, but at every level, including the future of democracy, and of finance.