Packing your bag can be such a drag: the hassles, the mistakes that get you in trouble with the TSA, the impossibility of ever learning to travel light for a change. In this episode of the Associated Press travel podcast “Get Outta Here,” AP Travel Editor Beth Harpaz talks with two AP journalists who’ve spent a lot of time in the air, Scott Mayerowitz and Lisa Lerer, to get their advice on how to pack the perfect bag. We’ll hear about luggage considerations, tricks like using the space inside your packed shoes to stuff in socks, and how your packing style changes once you have kids. This episode of “Get Outta Here!” first aired in 2017.