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Jessa and Nick discuss the opening statements and case theories from both the prosecution and the defense in the Melgar case.
Nick and Jessa talk about the death penalty, specifically, the history behind capital punishment.  They also start to debate the common arguments for and against the death penalty, generally.
Jessa and Nick finish their discussion of bail reform, and introduce the case they'll cover next week.
Jessa and Nick are back, and launch into the North Carolina homicide case involving Michael Peterson.
Jessa and Nick talk affirmative consent, confusing jury verdicts, and the tension between the presumption of innocence and wanting to support victims/survivors of violence.  Chelsea Cox, the brilliant host of Deliberations Podcast guests and talks about her motivations for starting the compelling audio drama and what we can expect in Season 2.
There were some editing mishaps with the Scott Peterson files.  Accordingly, they have been taken down, reconfigured, and put back up.  As an apology for the confusion, enjoy a quickie from Jessa about mass shootings, gun control, and restrictions on rights.
Jessa and Nick conclude their discussion of the Michael Peterson case, including some of the rogue alternative theories of the cause of death.
Jessa and Nick talk about how they would approach handling the defense of a mass shooter. Sponsored by:, take the quiz at
The men. The myths. The legends.  The fringe on flags.  Jessa and Nick tackle the "legal philosophy" of sovereign citizens. Spoiler alert: it may involve geckos.
So, looooook....the audio quality sucks here, okay?  We tried to fix it, we have no idea why our microphone broke and we're in the cathedral/lecture hall/on the moon.  We're sorry.  We've ordered new equipment and watched lots of YouTube tutorials on how to do it, and we weren't able to re-record this episode because work is crazy.  We love you guys for putting up with this. If you don't want to listen to the terrible audio, this is just the timeline leading up to the arrest of Michael Morton.  The legal analysis will happen Sunday, and will be happening with fancy, better equipment.  Again, we're sorry.
Jessa and Nick discuss the brief filed requesting remedies for the victims that were not notified of the entry of the NPA in the Epstein case back in 2008. 
Nick and Jessa are trapped in the closet of the Melgar prosecution.  They make some jokes about that, but they're mostly trying to talk about prosecution witnesses.  Also, dogs.
Jessa and Nick talk about the first three witnesses called by the prosecution in the Melgar case and give commentary on their impressions of the trial so far.
Jessa & Nick conclude their conversation about the Turner case and introduce the next deeper dive case they’ll be discussing.
***OUR AUDIO MALFUNCTIONS BADLY THROUGHOUT THIS EPISODE. THR ISSUE WILL BE FIXED BY THE NEXT ONE. ***Jessa and Nick conclude their discussion of Epstein and talk more broadly about inmate suicide, pre-trial release solutions, and more. 
Nick and Jessa discuss why some defense attorneys don't like Marsy's Law, and some ways that maybe they...should? Shout out to Lexi, our new audio editor.  If you can tell a difference, tweet, facebook, instagram, email, or otherwise let us know that it makes the quality better! 
Jessa and Nick finish the historical timeline about the crimes of Larry Nassar and start to delve into the sentencing held in January 2018.
Jessa & Nick cover the prosecution of the Johnson case.
Jessa & Nick sidebar to discuss Title IX disciplinary hearings.
Nick and Jessa are joined again by friend of the pod and fellow attorney Chris Van Wagner (@defendedbycvw on twitter), who talks about his memories of the Robert Tenny trial. 
Jessa and Nick talk about some of the most common misconceptions about the "court words", criminal justice, and the way the real world works.  Should you talk to that cop even though he didn't Mirandize you? Does it count as bias if you find someone guilty? Do cops have to tell you that they're cops?  What the hell is double jeopardy, anyway? Find out by listening. This episode is proudly sponsored by Hello Fresh.  Check out our ad at 24:00 minutes to get the skinny on healthy, easy-to-cook meals. Books/Podcasts mentioned: -Courtroom 302 -Everybody Pays -In the Dark, Season 2 -Operation Greylord -Greylord
Jessa and Nick give a sort of historical and cultural preamble to their decision to talk about the Emmett Till case, as well as the timeline and a description about what is known regarding Emmett's disappearance and murder. Promo for Status Pending at the end of the episode!
The GOTeam and special guest star Aaron Nelson of Nelson Defense Group continue to be confounded by the events of the trial regarding the shooting of Philando Castile.
Jessa and Nick do their best to explain how the verdict was reached in this case by taking a close look at the jury instructions and how the facts would be applied to them.  They also talk about their personal conclusions about the case and Florida's Stand Your Ground/Self Defense laws. This episode is proudly sponsored by both Songfinch and Care/of.  Check out our promos in this episode. Both sponsors have extremely cool products.
Jessa and Nick conclude their discussion of the Michelle Carter case, and get a little emotional about the topic of teen suicide.  We might be out of our lanes on this one, but we're COMPASSIONATELY out of our lanes.
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Nov 8th, 2017
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Mar 25th, 2020
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