In this wide ranging conversation, Michael Medved and David Gelernter touch on scientism, consciousness, and education. Gelernter observes how at times, scientists let their vaunted position get to their head, bullying other disciplines while failing to acknowledge their own limits. Having written extensively on consciousness, he describes the current state of the field and Thomas Nagel's scandalous opinion that we currently lack the tools to solve this "deepest mystery". Finally, Gelernter reflects on the state of higher education, specifically with reference to Yale.