It's time for another Grierson and Leitch: Conversations. This time it's another annual tradition: Talking with Tommy Craggs, former editor of Deadspin and current editor at Mother Jones. Will and Tommy talk about the end of Deadspin, unions and what it means to work in media in 2019. It's our penultimate show of the year. It's a sad one. Thanks to Dylan Mayer and My Friend Mary, both of which are wonderful, for the music. We hope you enjoy. Let us know what you think @griersonleitch on Twitter, or [email protected]. As always, give us a review on iTunes with the name of a movie you'd like us to review, and we'll discuss it on a later podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices