Recently I’ve been visiting around the planet to see what some of my friends have been doing with their land.

When I began my world tour of what horse people are doing to restore biodiversity and ecosystem functionality to their land, I knew I wanted to visit with Manda Scott. Manda is a vet, an author, a shamanic teacher, a climate crisis activist, a podcast host, a horse owner, and a frequent contributor to this podcast. It had been a while since we had talked. So we finally picked a date and settled in for a long catch up. The first hour was gone before we knew it. That’s because we were talking about horses.

Manda has a couple of young ponies who are presenting yearling horse training puzzles so we talked training for an hour. But this podcast is not about horse training so I am going to jump past that part of our conversation. For those of you who follow me when I am wearing my horse trainer’s hat, I can hear the protests. “No, don’t skip that part. We want to hear everything!”

But I am going to resist. Instead I’m going to jump into the middle where we began to steer the ship in the direction of climate change and land stewardship. We began by discussing Bill Gates book: “How to Avoid a Climate Disaster”