This is a great episode. I loved hearing about Kara Swisher as an entrepreneurial journalist who is dispelling the belief that "there's no money in podcasting." Interesting to learn how live events played an important early role in Recode's monetization. P.S. The opening phone call was a great touch.The follow up, bonus episode is also excellent. Don is a great interviewer in his own right. Excellent Q&A. Valuable insight for podcasters to hear your rationale for cutting parts of the interview out.