Rachel talks to writers Frank Smith and Matt Hartman about appearing on the new Netflix show, Tidying up with Marie Kondo. They discuss what they learned through their experience with Kondo and how 'tidying up' has helped their creativity and writing. Both Frank and Matt previously worked as assistants in the entertainment industry and they share how that has influenced their careers now and discuss what goals they have for the future. "I've been lucky in that I feel like every job I've had has moved me closer to the goalpost. But to feel like I've worked hard and got something I really wanted, that is a phenomenal feeling because it doesn't always work out that way," Frank says.