What's it like to cover the Derek Chauvin trial against the backdrop of continued police violence? Guest host Ari Shapiro
talks to Minnesota activist and journalist O'nika Nicole Craven
. Then, he talks to Maurice Chammah
, staff writer at The Marshall Project
, about the origins and evolving symbolism of the thin blue line. Plus, Misha Euceph
on the new season of her podcast Tell Them, I Am
, and the many ways that Muslims find glimpses of God. Then, Mary Knauf
, executive producer of Tell Them, I Am
, joins Ari and Misha to play Who Said That.
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