Pro big wall climber Tommy Caldwell comes on the show to talk about the life as a pro climber. Tommy has gone from something of a climbing prodigy to dirt-bagger to viral celeb to climbing elder statesmen.

We talk about his unique childhood as his father tried to build in his kids the same love of the outdoors and exercise he had. How he eventually turned that into a profession. How the Dawn Wall became a thing that more than just climbers cared about. Why he decided to trade chalk for a keyboard and write a book. How the National Parks have impacted him and then most importantly does climbing with 9.5 fingers matter?

Check out Tommy’s book The Push wherever you get books, it’s a really honest reflection on his life’s ups and downs.

Photo of Tommy on the Dawn Wall by Corey Rich