Celeste Ng is a writer based in Cambridge, MA. Celeste's first novel, 2014's Everything I Never Told You, is, without exaggeration, one of the most important books of my life. When I read it in 2016, it gave me my first real glimpse at what representation in fiction could mean, and it was revelatory. Celeste's newest novel, which was just released this week, is called Little Fires Everywhere, and I was thrilled to get the chance to talk with her about it. In our conversation we talked about both books, about the importance of representation in media and culture, our shared obsession with Hamilton, and about Celeste's fascination with family roles. For the second segment, Celeste talked about how she got over her phobia of octopuses.

(Conversation recorded July 27, 2017.)

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Show Notes:

• Celeste Ng
• Celeste Ng - Everything I Never Told You
• Celeste Ng - Little Fires Everywhere
• Purchase Everything I Never Told You and Little Fires Everywhere
• Little Fires Everywhere Tour Dates
• Brandon Taylor - Exegesis
• Keep the Channel Open - Episode 38: Brandon Taylor
• Fresh Off the Boat
• All-American Girl
• Hamilton
• George Saunders - Lincoln in the Bardo
• Sesame Street - Me and My Llama
• Sesame Street - And Now… The Octopus! [Phobia warning: octopuses]
• Octopus leaps out of water, grabs crab [Phobia warning: octopuses]
• Sy Montgomery - The Soul of an Octopus
• Monterey Bay Aquarium
• Lindsay Hatton
• New England Aquarium
• Peter Watts - Blindsight
• New Scientist - Mirror test shows magpies aren’t so bird-brained
• Wendy Cope
• Wendy Cope - The Orange (read by Emma Watson)