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"I exist in a body." This sounds so simple, but it's actually something that Ashley and Katey have recently been exploring and owning. Maybe you can relate. Do you feel like you're just a talking head? Do you feel like the only way to know something is in your mind? Were you taught your body wasn't to be trusted? You'll want to tune into our conversation about how to reconnect body + mind + spirit. Full show notes:
Some fun news to start: Sue Monk Kidd shared about our show on her Instagram! Welcome to our new listeners who found us through her post. We’re glad to have you. Honestly, we tried two other times to record an episode, and we finally got the space and energy to talk about what’s getting us through this ever-changing and wild time. We get real about boundaries, schedules, therapy, lowering our expectations, and being honest with ourselves. And we talk about some fun things that are bringing us everything from comfort and distraction to joy and levity. Here’s what has been getting us through. The full show notes are here:
Y’all probably know how much we *love* Sue Monk Kidd from some of our previous episodes, but this time we dive into our deep appreciation of her journey exploring the divine feminine through all of her books, and in particular her latest book The Book of Longings. We talk about Ana, the fictional wife of Jesus, and how her prayer has rekindled our passion for exploring the divine within ourselves.
We take it way back to childhood...and back to the present with a discussion of The Babysitters Club, both the book series from the '90s and the Netflix adaption. We also share our current struggles with childcare, particularly in the times of COVID-19.
Many of our public libraries, at least the buildings, have been closed for the last few months which has made us mindful of just how much we love them. What might our libraries have to do with defunding the police? Full shownotes:
Who gets to be creative? What does your creative process look like? And how is creativity different from productivity? We discuss discovering process art and free writing, and we talk about what gets in the way of creativity--and how we overcome it. Shownotes:
Black Lives Matter. Right now, police brutality, white supremacy, and state-sanctioned militarism are on full display in this country, and we will not be silent. Not now, not ever. We say their names: Breonna Taylor, George Floyd, Ahmaud Arbery, and Tony McDade, and countless others. Their lives matter. And at Kindreds, we are committed to doing the work of anti-racism-- and dismantling white supremacy--in our own lives, in our work as non-profit leaders, and on this show. Let's get to work.
On Kindreds Picks, we discuss some of our favorite recommendations that we didn’t have time to get to in our regular episode. Ashley’s Pick: Eloheh Indigenous Center for Earth Justice After studying the Lenten guide Drawing Closer to Creator and Creation: And Indigenous Journey Through Lent, Ashley shares about the Eloheh Center, co-founded by Edith and Randy Woodley in 1999 out of concern that neither the government nor the church was addressing the many needs in Native American communities. The Woodleys believe that our response to climate change should be rooted in learning from those who have long practiced a value for creation and listened to the voice of Creator in this area. For decades, Randy and Edith Woodley have cultivated Eloheh as a community, farm, seed bank, and learning center. For over 30 years, the Woodleys have been teaching Native and non-Native peoples to deepen their commitment to preserving humanity’s role as good earth-keepers by understanding Creator’s invitation to harmony and shalom. Through their summits, camps, ceremony, conferences and teachings, the Woodleys offer an opportunity for all to learn a new way to live on the land and respond to the climate crisis. Learn more at Katey’s Pick: The Intuitive Way by Penney Pierce Similar in style to The Artist's Way, The Intuitive Way is a workbook with lessons and exercises designed to help you hone in in on and develop your inner wisdom. It has questions to journal, meditations to practice, and free writing prompts all around how we experience that sense of knowing. For example, the book asks you to think about the way that you recall one of your favorite experiences in the past. Do you hear it most? See it? Feel it? Even smell it? If you’re looking for something to help you tune into your inner guide, pick up The Intuitive Way.
What does community look like when we can’t be in person? How do we see community changing and evolving in our lives right now, and how might we reimagine community for the future? We talk about the upsides and downsides of virtual community, navigating work online, and our hopes for how the lessons of COVID-19 will shape us for the better. Full shownotes at:
On Kindreds Picks, we discuss some of our favorite recommendations that we didn’t have time to get to in our regular episode. This episode we discuss Such a Fun Age by Kiley Reid and the Hulu adaption of Little Fires Everywhere by Celeste Ng.
Have you been questioning the place of productivity in your life or in our culture as a whole? Is productivity something you cling to or repel from in times of stress? Ashley and Katey are rethinking their relationships with getting things done and how self-quarantining has impacted their feelings about our cultural obsession with output and efficiency. We explore the ways that white supremacy culture show up in our work and faith circles in ways that we often fail to recognize and share a bit about the thoughtful leaders who are showing us a new way of being in the world that isn't all about being productive. Full shownotes:
In the midst of the Covid-19 pandemic, we take a time out from our regular podcast schedule to talk about how we're coping (and not), how we're stayed connected with ourselves and one another in the age of physical distancing, and how we're more committed than ever to dismantling the patriarchy. Full shownotes:
Do you believe in soul mates? In this episode we explore the notion of soul mates, both the more common understandings in terms of romantic partnerships and the more expansive ideas of kindred spirits and soul families. Full shownotes:
On Kindreds Picks, we discuss some of our favorite recommendations that we didn’t have time to get to in our regular episode. This episode Katey recommends Richard Rohr's The Universal Christ and Ashely shares about the website MommaStrong. Full shownotes
The stats don't lie. • 1 in 4 U.S. women will have an abortion by the time she turns 45.  • Up to 1 in 4 pregnancies end in miscarriage. • 10% of all couples experience some form of infertility. Reproductive loss is common. Incredibly common. So why don't we talk about it more? Because we're uncomfortable with embodiment. With death. With grief. And so in our silence, we isolate those who are suffering in solitude. That's why we decided to dedicate this episode to reproductive loss: to explain what it is (it's way more than miscarriage) and share ways to journey alongside those who are hurting. We can't make anyone's grief go away, but we can help someone feel less alone. Full shownotes:
We discuss some of our favorite recommendations that we didn’t have time to get to in our regular episode on mysticism and inner wisdom. Ashley's Pick E-book: Christ Our Black Mother Speaks by Christena Cleveland, activist and public theologian, director of the Center for Justice and Renewal. This is a collection of art, essays, questions and practices to deepen our connection to the Dark Divine Feminine. Katey's Pick Guided Meditation: Meeting an Unexpected Healing Guide by Michael Sealey. "This hypnotic sleep meditation will allow you to take an inner journey into your self awareness and deepest consciousness, where you will imagine meeting a surprising type of healing guide, who will bring you many positive messages and insights into your total self healing - in mind, body, and spirit." Visit for more information.  Look out for our full-length episode on reproductive loss coming in a few weeks.
Have you ever been interested in the witchy side of spirituality? You’re in luck! We are talking all about the mystical aspects of our spirituality that we don’t usually tap into during traditional religious services. How do we go about discovering our inner voice? And when we’ve uncovered it, how do we honor it? In this episode we explore different definitions of mysticism, distinguish it from the term “New Age, ” and talk about how we can all be mystics. We look into ancient sacred texts that didn’t make it into the Christian canon, share our thoughts on the gaining popularity of witchcraft, and try to connect the dots between mysticism, sexism, and racism. For the full shownotes, visit
We absolutely love our listeners, and that's why we dedicate our last episode of the year to your questions, comments, and ideas.  This one is chock full of listener thoughtfulness--way more than we could fit into a single episode! But, we did our best to weigh in on a number of topics including deconstructing and reconstructing our faith, reclaiming "blessed" as a theological term, and the complexities surrounding reproductive dignity and freedom, including miscarriage, adoption, and child marriage. We also do a quick recap of where we were at the beginning of this decade and how we're ending it now. (Hint: we're rocking it!)
#Blessed. What about this public display of gratitude makes us cringe? In this episode about gratitude, Ashley and Katey share their thoughts on the perfunctory “thank you” we were taught as kids, what blessings are all about, and the performative nature of #blessed. It goes without saying, but in this season of giving thanks, we are incredibly thankful for our patrons, listeners, and supporters. Y’all are the best! (Want to help us keep making new episodes? Head on over to to support us today.) Check out the full show notes:
In recognition of Domestic Violence Awareness month, we discuss gender-based violence and what we can do to end it. GBV can take many forms, affects marginalized groups at higher rates, and starts when folks are young. We talk about how difficult it can be for survivors to come forward, how the church has failed survivors, and how we can access resources to help us become better advocates for ending GBV in all its forms. For the full shownotes:
From "life-hacking" productivity and personality tests, to relationship advice gurus and Christian based self-improvement, the genre of self-help is vast and wide. In this episode we dive into the self-help atmosphere with reflections on some of the best self-help books we've read, tried, and continue to live by.  We also explore the ways in which we have been taught that self-help is and isn't compatible with faith. Read the full show notes:
What brings joy, even for a moment? What do we turn to when life is getting us down? Ashley and Katey share some of their favorite things, from books and podcasts to hair towels and face sprays, that are keeping them going during a tough season of work stress, parenting woes, and political chaos.
Abortion. We're talking all about it in this episode. We dive into the history of Christianity and abortion and how that showed up in our church upbringings. We discuss the state of abortion access today and how abortion fits within the broader framework of reproductive justice. And, we talk about how we are Christians who support abortion and why we need to talk about it more.  Full show notes:
As the old saying goes, "It's lonely at the top." We explore life as non-profit executive directors and how we cope with the isolation and pressure of being the primary decision-makers for our organizations. We also talk about what makes leadership awesome and what strategies we use to sustain their work at the top. (Big shout out to Shine Theory!) And of course, we talk about the models of strong female leadership we saw (or didn't see) in church and beyond.
On this special episode Ashley interviews Katey about her newly released book Women Rise Up: Sacred Stories of Resistance for Today's Revolution. It's a timely take on the tenacious women of the Bible and a fresh look at how to discuss ancient texts in the context of today's struggle for gender justice Women Rise Up is a great option for summer book clubs, bible studies, and youth group gatherings. There's even a free discussion guide available on Katey's website. We honor the legacy of Rachel Held Evans who touched us both with her writing and her generous spirit. We are so saddened by her tragic death, and we are challenged to honor her legacy of curiosity, generosity, and community in the ways that we move through the world. Read the full show notes:
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Kindreds Podcast
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Jul 19th, 2017
Latest Episode
Oct 8th, 2020
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