Frank J. Fleming writes for The Babylon Bee and has written several novels, including Sidequest, Hellbender, and Superego. He has just released a sequel to that last one called Superego: Fathom that you need to buy immediately. Jon and Frank discuss sci-fi, the creative process, and parody in an era beyond parody. The intro/outro song is "Hang on to Your Ego" by Frank Black. To listen to all the music featured on The Conservatarians, subscribe to our Spotify playlist!