Our 21st episode of leadership & laughing in 2020 is a special one. 

Kelly Hartman continues to shape an amazing career and incredibly full and fulfilled life.

2020 has found her in Boston, London, Italy, Turkey and Greece. This has given her a cultural take on how different communities cope with health and humanity. And she has done this without being able to visit home - in Australia.

Our 15 minutes easily became 20 and then 25 because Kelly is so easy to talk with. Her conversation covers perspective, empathy, judgment, self-care, hugs and keeping it all human.

Take a listen. It is absolutely worth it.

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