Musician Jaz Frazier performs as her superego Hop Hop, which gives her license to let loose and be “weird and extreme” on stage. But there’s a lot of groundwork that goes into writing the songs she performs. And making time to make music can be a challenge.

Aside from our usual title theme, all of the music in this episode is by Hop Hop and engineered by Steak and Cake Records. You can find Hop Hop’s music on Spotify and at iamhophop.com.