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we are talking about someone named Bill

1:29

Gibson, are you from? Lawyer, with

1:31

the person I am not like get

1:33

all this person you mentioned something about his

1:35

first an Australian yes, that is a very

1:38

well known Australian lifestyle,

1:40

as well answer, would you put this person

1:43

more in like you

1:45

tube or sale? Woo camp an Instagram

1:48

style camp like an Amanda Chantal

1:50

bacon, what's the Woo level

1:53

here?

1:54

And what a platform of to censor

1:56

the two things I would like? That would say, six

1:59

and instagram.

2:00

Okay, I think made a subtle begun is

2:02

the love.

2:03

We're dealing with here excellent one of the chapters

2:05

of her book is called Own Your Magic

2:08

Out, About Gonna. make i read

2:11

it There, so this is

2:13

really a story. On Instagram,

2:15

most of us take place. The twenty

2:17

thirteen and twenty fourteen, which is not

2:20

that long ago in the grand scheme

2:22

of things. The in Instagram slash

2:24

Internet time it's like five generations

2:27

ago ha ha. The to give

2:29

you sense of. Who this person is

2:31

and her general vibe, I going to send

2:33

you a I was a prototypical

2:36

Instagram posts from

2:38

the peak of her fame, okay, Poop?

2:42

Okay, so she looks like one of the pretty little

2:45

liars. You don't, yeah, so

2:47

the instagram me.

2:48

Is he doing underscore

2:50

bell be he ll, he healing

2:52

bow is a picture of a?

2:55

The young, conventionally attractive. The woman

2:57

wearing sunglasses should,

2:59

said she's in her probably mid

3:01

twenties is my guess is she is

3:04

definitely wearing makeup but it's

3:06

like the no make up make up

3:08

Oh yeah, and the caption says on my

3:10

way to my first official duties as an American

3:13

author with the humidity high and rain coming

3:15

down.

3:16

Big love to the T. W. P. X.

3:18

U. S. a community who helped

3:20

me out last night, you're all incredible

3:23

hashtag grateful this is very

3:25

twenty thirteen twenty fourteen instagram

3:27

right yeah hashtag blessed hashtag

3:29

friendship.

3:30

This is another one, also

3:33

at the peak of her fame, I just wanted to give

3:35

you a sense. The of the time. The of influencer

3:38

rain.

3:38

That he doing on Instagram for most

3:41

of her social media career, okay,

3:43

so this next one is a picture

3:45

of smoothie with,

3:47

and they're green strong and like lime wedge

3:50

or something in it, it's are barely. That

3:52

movie looks good. Yeah, it's like great.

3:54

Lovely purple. The

3:57

caption says, you

3:59

don't.

4:00

Please have to supplement your diet, but it's so

4:02

easy. Why wouldn't you give your system

4:04

extra support? This one is

4:06

for my rash. Thanks liver, cancer

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inflammation. Thanks flying.

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milk for brain function metabolism

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and hormone health flaxseed. oil

4:24

and golden turmeric

4:26

You can choose to add just one, I mean,

4:28

you see the Amanda shown tall bacon manatee

4:31

right, yes, if there's like a moon

4:33

juice scale of like zero

4:35

to ten, and I would put

4:37

this and nine,

4:39

would take one point off

4:41

because that's me.

4:43

The have zero mushrooms in it

4:45

or, yeah, let's add on Github mission hydration,

4:47

and here is an anti aging.

4:49

I'm. Livid, I'm talking myself into giving it

4:51

an eight now see you're getting a sense of

4:53

her overall vibe, brights the thin white lady

4:56

she's got health problems and

4:58

she is recommending. These foods for health problems

5:00

correct an hour can rewind to her

5:03

upbringing. This is the

5:05

story to she tells in her book, "This is the story that

5:07

she tells in million interviews and" The million talk

5:09

over the years, these are the sort of general chapters

5:11

of her life, as told by Bell gets

5:14

she's born in nineteen eighty nine, she

5:16

grows up in social housing in Brisbane,

5:19

her father's out of the picture her mom

5:21

would later to score.

5:22

Him as a sperm donor wow her

5:25

mother has M. S.

5:27

Her. Brother is artistic, oh day, so

5:29

from age six, she says she's

5:32

the mom of the household she's making sandwiches

5:34

she's doing dishes she doesn't what

5:36

standing on a chair to reach.

5:38

The stovetop so that she can cook macaroni

5:40

and cheese for her and her brother, wow this

5:43

is an excerpt from an L

5:45

article that published in Twenty Four Teams, it

5:47

says. Both she and her brother were severely

5:50

overweight, subsisting on frozen meals

5:52

and cheap fruit juice, ah, oh,

5:55

more than ago, and planting little red flags

5:58

I don't like just the. Freeze!

6:00

The virally overweight is not a great

6:03

oh. i see The author has a she.

6:05

Move out at age twelve, she.

6:08

The rounds, staying with friends,

6:10

staying with friends of the family. She

6:12

ended up dropping out of high school, she moves

6:14

to purse. At a sixteen, which is as

6:17

far from Brisbane as. She she can possibly

6:19

get and, she starts working

6:21

The health insurance.

6:22

Call. Have done when she's

6:25

at this job, she starts to experience

6:28

weird, else stuff

6:30

she has trouble reading, she sort

6:33

of stumbles when she walks she's

6:35

having memory problems so

6:37

under the. Send you an excerpt from

6:39

her book, That and That Coming Out, and Twenty fourteen

6:41

called as a whole country. Ari

6:44

quote: "I had known for while that something

6:46

didn't feel right for when I saw the doctor",

6:49

he told me to ignore what was experiencing

6:51

and to trial anti depressants. tried

6:54

them, but they me. No difference, so went off

6:56

them in would back to the doctor.

6:58

All he said, was you work too hard, you're

7:00

looking at a computer all day and you're socially isolated.

7:02

Let's get your eyes tested and

7:05

start that medication. I gave you At

7:07

this point. could have taken control of my

7:09

own life and gotten a second opinion, but

7:11

instead of listening to my body and trusting my intuition.

7:14

I put my faith in one quote

7:16

on quote professional.

7:18

felt like I had hit a brick wall soon

7:20

afterwards. I had a stroke work. I

7:22

will never forget the sitting alone in the

7:24

doctor's office. Three weeks later waiting

7:27

for my test results. he called me

7:29

in and said you have malignant

7:31

brain cancer bell you're dying,

7:33

you have six weeks for months

7:35

tops for events worse,

7:38

you know, this is like. Very

7:40

tough for a couple of reasons

7:43

one is like you, know if you

7:45

talk to people who have chronic illnesses

7:47

this is not an uncommon stories,

7:51

they're just sort of like people who don't get believed

7:53

about their bodies and have their symptoms.

7:56

minimize and that is also

7:58

an on ramp to The next

8:00

level, Quackery, be afraid

8:02

of so, like his both, like what

8:04

horrifying, terrible experience

8:07

to have.

8:08

If this is how this happened I know you

8:10

so maybe a,

8:13

sudden the. fuck you

8:15

for remembering the previous episodes of

8:17

the sale

8:22

To. Like if this happened this way,

8:24

so questionmark jury's still

8:26

out there that's truly

8:28

horrifying and really, really awful

8:31

and given the influence

8:33

or path that I know that we're on it.

8:36

Feels like this is going to lead to some like

8:38

that's why you got to have sodium cluster

8:41

salts and the form of selling use every

8:43

day kind of nonsense right all. Of

8:45

this is leading us to the purple smooth, so yes.

8:48

After she gets his diagnosis, she has

8:51

six weeks to live for me. The top. He

8:54

and that moving to Melbourne.

8:55

Because there are specialists there and she

8:57

get chemotherapy.

8:59

She does too much of chemotherapy,

9:01

she says.

9:02

The first month or so, after the first round,

9:05

it's so bad she ends up.

9:07

The game and passing out on a bench in

9:09

little.

9:10

"Across the street from the hospital, know, yeah, she's

9:12

like I can do this anymore", she starts

9:14

reading on. In, she says.

9:17

How about the detoxifying

9:19

properties of lemons? Did

9:22

you know they're quick excerpt from her book?

9:24

Thank. You you're gonna be the voice

9:26

of Bell still God handling Bell for us

9:29

listen I made you be the voice of Karl

9:31

Lagerfeld so there's, nothing

9:33

that you can do. To me that little compass of, business,

9:36

after six

9:38

weeks after my diagnosis changed my diet

9:41

like most Australians found was still

9:43

eating too many sugars red. Meat and. refined

9:45

foods i pulled myself

9:47

out of chemo And radiotherapy,

9:50

Jesus Christ. My

9:52

doctors freaked out, but they couldn't stop me, I

9:55

was empowering myself to save my own

9:57

life through nutrition patients determining.

10:00

And and love as well assault vitamins

10:02

and I are vidic treatments cranial

10:04

sequel therapy. Oxygen

10:07

therapy, cologne acts and a whole

10:09

lot of other treatments she's already say

10:11

and stuff that I don't know what it is, oh

10:13

boy, it's real fucking dark

10:15

when people are like so against my doctor's

10:17

advice pulled myself. The treatment

10:19

for cancer, know, there are a lot

10:22

of things that make the medical system really

10:24

difficult. And also

10:27

do. Fuck around when it comes to cancer

10:29

cheese.

10:30

Another phrase it stands out is I

10:32

was empowering myself to say my own

10:34

life of. a doctors aren't working

10:37

for that the doctors They don't care if she lives

10:39

or dies, I realized people have

10:41

a very bad experiences with the medical system

10:43

like that. The everybody's experiences really good. But

10:45

the idea that you're empowering yourself. Why

10:48

not undergoing proven

10:50

remedies vs. not good, yeah, sniper,

10:52

not good, so at this point she switches

10:55

to A? Vegetarian.

10:57

Diet without any dairy,

10:59

gluten, preservatives, GM

11:02

oh foods or sugar sure, it's very

11:04

limited what she can eat at this point, no alcohol,

11:06

no caffeine, ah, so

11:09

the first the. Internet start hearing

11:11

about Bell Gibson is on twenty

11:13

ten when she starts posting on pregnancy

11:16

forums oh she's pregnant with her son,

11:18

"How old is she is this point?" she's twenty.

11:20

One yep, twenty one, there's

11:22

forum. The in Australia called what to expect.

11:26

You're posting on his message boards. About

11:28

lot of it is about diet and lifestyle.

11:30

A lot of it is about undergoing cancer

11:33

therapy like the previous stuff that she was doing

11:36

this is an excerpt from

11:38

a biography of been written about her by

11:40

Boat donnelly and next fiscal know she.

11:43

wrote about having cancer detoxing

11:45

in chiropractic treatment she said that half

11:47

panda doll tablet affected her severely

11:49

and that she wouldn't get into warm bath

11:51

after learning about the chemicals you absorb

11:53

from unfiltered water oh the form

11:56

seem to be less of parenting resources than

11:58

it was place for lonely young

12:00

Then. To connect, it feels like some

12:02

real significant foreshadowing that there

12:04

is a biography of her with

12:06

to authorize else so gay were go

12:08

and play that is that understood I'm tipping. My

12:10

I'm tipping my cards toward you slowly some

12:12

slow here for feel awkward as he saw as so.

12:17

she's working in retail she's

12:19

posting on this forum she eventually

12:21

moved over to facebook as much of the internet

12:24

did at that time she sets

12:26

up facebook group force

12:28

on the she calls the whole pantry that's

12:30

what she's calling her program

12:32

diet lifestyle program she says giving out more

12:35

advice and then and twenty

12:37

twelve seed moves over

12:39

to instagram gotcha there's off Though

12:41

at this time you will be shocked to learn,

12:43

so there's also some weird red flag. Right?

12:47

She blames vaccines

12:50

for. The cancer because,

12:52

i guess she got a cervical cancer vaccine

12:54

and then she's like that's when i got brain cancer she starts

12:56

during our phones she says

12:58

the she only drinks and non fluoridated

13:01

why After which is a as

13:03

second episode, we're gonna have to do at some point", she

13:05

says, "and" Twenty. Two Facebook post: "I've

13:07

been feeling severe and malignant brain

13:10

cancer for the past few years with natural

13:12

medicine and gersten therapy and

13:14

foods, are you familiar with their some?"

13:16

Therapy I've never heard that word

13:18

until right now it's illegal to practice

13:21

in the United States first. It's

13:24

one of the things that dates back. One. Hundreds years

13:26

it's bases guy that said that you could cure cancer

13:29

with an extremely regimented

13:31

diet, so it's this is

13:34

from the National Cancer Institute, which

13:36

is like, do not do. This every citizen

13:38

soldier's diet is utterly

13:40

vegetarian for at least six weeks and consists

13:42

of specific fruits and vegetables

13:45

eaten either raw or stewed

13:47

in their own juices, no animal.

13:49

Protein is allowed, though, some whole grain such

13:51

as oatmeal. They are included glass

13:53

of free. We prepare Jews from vegetables

13:56

and fruits must be consumed every hour

13:58

for thirteen hours throughout the day.

14:00

Lord. It's a great plan

14:02

in that basically it's so specific

14:04

and deranged that nobody can stick with it, yeah,

14:07

that sounds right, so when you normal

14:09

person cannot do this for. Any length of

14:11

time and your cancer doesn't get cured,

14:14

we'll guess what it was your fault for not sticking to

14:16

it, this is the logic of like kind

14:19

of the every. Diet sex

14:21

or you nicely, you couldn't pay six something

14:23

about you, set your diabetics in you when

14:25

Reagan because someone told you that being

14:27

vegan can reverse type two diabetes

14:30

and. Your type two diabetes didn't get reversed,

14:32

well, that's on you, you weren't reagan

14:34

enough when we probably accidently

14:37

out the money the accountability

14:39

flus one way the responsibility

14:41

flows one way. And it's all lesser of Down

14:43

Hill back to the person who's doing the

14:45

dire stress, not to the

14:47

logic of the diet and sell for the science

14:50

behind his at sell. For any of that kind of stuff

14:52

to drives me?

14:53

The Nana Michael have a it will bananas

14:55

you can't have those on this diet so with,.

14:59

us so we

15:02

are going to watch brief clip

15:04

move The next chapter, the stories

15:06

like that.

15:07

Of her fame, twenty four team is

15:09

when everything is going extremely swimmingly.

15:13

They'll. Give me the mother a businesswoman

15:15

and she's also living with brain cancer,

15:18

but the twenty five year old has turned her cancer

15:20

diagnosis seem to positive

15:22

believe it or not. She's right of the world's

15:24

first health wellness and

15:27

lifestyle that the whole.

15:30

Korea and the response has been amazing,

15:32

or her online community racing follow us around

15:35

the world.

15:39

Right, I didn't feel good thing

15:41

is harder than usual.

15:43

Entrepreneurs she is an acre

15:45

of hundred and,

15:47

then,. he has a manga feel

15:49

loans the whole thing

15:50

Free at last year's it's essentially

15:53

a recipe collection full.

15:55

of whole foods and vegetarian see

15:59

The way the mean?

16:00

Enable to get back to fundamental, the eating

16:02

more fruits and vegetables the whole Hendry

16:04

with phone three bills aren't battled with brain

16:06

cancer, she was diagnosed with terminal

16:09

cancer, see the guard after trying

16:11

the treaty. No treatment methods.

16:13

It hurt to have to heal herself

16:15

instead, and she soon began to develop

16:17

an ass.

16:19

And. You applied inspirational, I wouldn't mind

16:21

betting that that's the same seat

16:23

behind all of this is, well, I'm for person

16:26

living a friend has the mana as you look

16:28

incredibly. Healthy, tell

16:30

us more your top teams what

16:32

we say, the Holy Six, your loss at the moment

16:34

I mention, "What are your top picks the hill?"

16:37

Without getting, that to the fundamentals

16:40

of a healthy life. with

16:43

talk about in the at going back

16:45

to basics needing more both fundamental

16:47

food know getting adequate water

16:49

intake eating more fruits and vegetables

16:51

it's really simple and people over

16:53

think it

16:55

People over think guess

16:57

I think, your own tell the

17:00

toughest thing over think it's awesome

17:02

the tire on on. for

17:05

this particular story

17:07

Absolutely fabulous

17:10

ssssss, I snap says

17:12

it's a I. The to my nose new

17:15

as factor I have

17:17

your career in Missouri do

17:19

they give you answers for firearms so?

17:22

i found that excruciating what did you think of the contents

17:24

of that I mean, it just felt like.

17:27

An early version of, like,

17:29

I healed myself using whole

17:31

foods people are really concerned with health

17:33

and wellness, it's pretty simple

17:35

you have to eat more fruits and vegetables, which is why

17:37

we made this. "We're Byzantine", says.

17:40

them to make you eat fruits and vegetables

17:42

rather than just saying that Lynch's.

17:44

it feels like this is the playbook being

17:46

written i'm speeding through this part because

17:48

it's just it's so generics a lot of the

17:51

stuff yes the only now

17:53

How did you see the vaguely interesting part of this is that

17:55

she's a judge? The from Instagram to

17:57

having an app it was described here.

18:00

It's just that everywhere as the world's

18:02

first wellness app, this is twenty thirteen,

18:04

I don't think that's true no. With not

18:07

people keep saying this is different, it's

18:09

true, but it's like know

18:11

we had apps about the twelfth this

18:13

somebody found one person that actually. Invest

18:16

into the there were literally twenty five hundred

18:19

and, five

18:20

The nine not even see. and

18:23

i don't know why people keep saying this the

18:25

if you look at the actual app mean everyone says the

18:27

app is fine but the up it's sixty

18:30

recipes much is it's not like do

18:32

The anything it's a cookbook on your phone. Directly

18:34

into this was the. The one app

18:36

in Australia the month at it launched,

18:38

it costs three dollars and seventy

18:40

nine cents oh it's paid

18:43

app to recharge money for.

18:45

I'm like why people.

18:47

do this but they did this

18:49

apparently so we still charge money for

18:51

some of them now i mean guess

18:54

don't really The the anthrax I only use grinder

18:56

it's free arm, and,. due

18:58

to the massive success of this

19:01

app everything Everyone keeps going at

19:03

the first well as apps Apple invite

19:05

her to silicone Valley, what,

19:08

yes, they are developing?

19:09

We'd have apps that are going to be standard

19:11

on the Apple watch and,

19:13

that happened for she was there for the launch in silicon valley

19:16

Wow, also into any fourteen,

19:18

her book, The Whole pantry is published

19:20

with Penguin. Eighty percent of it as recipes

19:23

there's also a three thousand word essay

19:25

where she says her life story these are the excerpts

19:27

if we read earlier where she started out how.

19:29

the recipes inspired her and her journey with

19:31

cancer

19:32

In it's in remission, but it

19:34

could come back and I'm trying to live and. My blah

19:36

such as.

19:37

I was gonna do a whole thing on the book, but it's like

19:39

again pretty, it's pretty standard,

19:42

it's like whole.

19:43

The food hot salad bar

19:45

type of recipes.

19:46

Sweetheart salad bar Hatzalah,

19:49

that's the best a buffet at whole foods we

19:51

eat when you go in there near like on going to have slice

19:53

of lasagna.

19:54

And some veggies and if we have avoid arms

19:57

wouldn't, Oh, man here.

20:00

They're hard sell it is

20:02

amazing so.

20:04

excerpt it's just a bunch of like vague platitudinous

20:07

at one point", she says. embrace food as

20:09

life.

20:10

Source not just few often

20:12

near you could write a. book

20:14

like this like recent

20:17

Don't worry that my clothes are now

20:20

that.

20:20

One I one you like

20:22

one and, showing as

20:24

ourselves, you ourselves

20:27

one of, of soulless

20:29

ourselves and like and husks

20:31

like as of like you and as

20:34

like soulless husks of ourselves

20:37

showing, up and. showing like

20:40

you soulless as like

20:42

one as and of you one

20:44

showing up as like showing

20:47

So a couple other things happen and twenty fourteen

20:50

it's she wins Cosmos

20:52

son fearless female award

20:54

in the cat. Media, social media.

20:56

The word "cosmo" says she's fun

20:58

and fearless because Colin

21:00

she was diagnosed with terminal brain cancer,

21:02

but instead of giving in became the

21:05

impetus for her dedication to health and

21:07

wellbeing, son tired

21:09

these people dying.

21:10

The answer: giving and just given up

21:12

super chill, super chill word and there's

21:14

a glowing article. When, oh,

21:17

she does bunch of vents, you. Then. Much fundraisers,

21:19

so what are the main things with her app she'll

21:21

say like, oh, this week, if you download

21:23

the app, all proceeds are going

21:25

to go to there's kid? Whose name is Joshua

21:28

Schwartz, who has brain cancer, his four years old,

21:30

this becomes really important.

21:31

Story in Australia that years she's like, "Okay,

21:34

every download this week, the money" Go

21:36

to his parents or so say oh

21:38

we're helping to build schools in Sierra Leone

21:40

so if you come to the fundraising event

21:42

we're going to donate all the proceeds ah

21:45

I don't like where this is going, Dammit

21:48

Dammit,. hundred The with her.

21:51

the it feels like We're going and, like, a very

21:54

sean king direction.

21:57

Are we do when I was at his first

21:59

sean?

22:00

Hearing mention on the show wow

22:02

it just feels,

22:04

Right to me by, so there's gonna be this

22:06

gonna be a downfall chapter, you knew the devil.

22:08

After. We wouldn't be talking about it sounds,

22:11

awesome yeah, like an hour into this for sport

22:13

it's not that interesting for front, and

22:16

so are they laugh Instagram post

22:18

this? Is an Instagram post it becomes

22:20

very same as later, okay so

22:23

the Instagram image is

22:26

a bunch of pink balloons

22:28

in the shape of? hurts the

22:30

caption says with frustration

22:33

and eight in my heart my beautiful

22:35

game changing community it

22:38

hurts me to find speech tonight to

22:40

let you all know with love and strength that

22:42

i've been diagnosed with third and

22:44

fourth cancer One

22:46

is secondary and the other his primary.

22:49

I have cancer in my blood spleen

22:52

brain uterus and liver

22:54

am hurting forties act well

22:57

that. is really Terrible.

23:00

So this is a lie of.

23:01

When he fourteen the downfall,

23:04

the whole crumbling house of cards

23:07

comes down to the three day's

23:10

day, one March eighth of twenty

23:12

fifteen, ah, there is a. Article

23:14

in the Sydney Morning Herald with

23:17

the headline: "It's Charity Money

23:19

promised by inspirational health

23:21

app developer Bell Gibson not handed

23:23

over okay I did.

23:25

Want to go on record that I called this so

23:27

far as I'm weird have

23:30

used with my so assume Chekhov's charity

23:32

donation I'm like little make,

23:34

sure I,. discovered a

23:40

so that others have download is

23:43

three hundred thousand times it costs roughly

23:45

four bucks australian every time that's

23:47

lot of money

23:48

These journalists do a extremely

23:51

basic thing.

23:52

They just contact the charity's

23:54

like, "Okay, you're building schools in Sierra Leone,

23:57

okay, was a maturity, okay, we're going to contact them circle"

24:00

Starting all these charities and the charities

24:02

are like to the bell

24:05

one. A lot of these charities

24:07

literally didn't. No, did she was

24:09

doing fundraisers with their name, they're

24:11

like the nonprofit equivalent of

24:13

the Mariah Carey, I don't know her

24:16

me. Yeah, that would be there are putting on sunglasses,

24:18

yes, that yeah, good more,

24:20

none of the charitable donations have

24:23

materialized in any way, oh

24:25

they also find is that, of course,

24:27

as part of reporting the story as you do you

24:30

reach out to. The person who stories about your like pocket

24:32

we've heard that disparities don't need any. In the

24:34

center at a list of. Twenty one question,

24:37

very specific questions by.

24:39

They then hear, back from where the

24:41

charity's they're like oh yeah Bill gives

24:43

a did actually give us thousand dollars yesterday.

24:46

the like after the journalist sent the email

24:48

they said that it like three o'clock and

24:50

then the charity gotta do

24:52

The next three, forty five oh

24:54

God is oath in an

24:56

actor foreshadowing Bell response

24:58

to this with a long Facebook

25:01

posts were.

25:02

She says, "Oh, you know, it's all big misunderstanding,

25:05

we're still calculating our revenue.

25:07

So we don't know how much revenue we had, so it's impossible

25:10

for us to give away a portion of our revenues

25:12

because we're still figuring it out. You know

25:14

it with our accountants and we don't know she.

25:16

also does some like fake news media

25:19

stuff where she said like on

25:20

Journalists. Never even reached out to me, which is not true,

25:23

and she told the journalists

25:26

that one of these big fundraiser she's like,

25:28

"Oh, we only earned like seven hundred and fifty"

25:30

Bucks from that anyway, and so instead

25:32

of giving it to this charity, I actually

25:34

just gave it to this refugee family that know

25:36

what and there's no record of this. And like I'm

25:38

not going to have you their names for privacy reasons, but

25:40

like just gave it to like these needy

25:42

people in my life. And like

25:45

again as was pretty weird at like you. The money

25:47

away, in the only way that leaves

25:49

no paper trail, and also that one of these high

25:51

dollar important people fundraisers only

25:53

for.

25:54

The seven hundred and fifty bucks he had

25:56

a smoker and then. Then in her Facebook

25:58

post she's like.

26:00

If they didn't even mention the refugee

26:02

family, that I'm support.

26:04

Oh, my gosh, well,

26:06

that's because it sounds real, say,

26:08

oh, God, how old is she is this point,

26:11

see is twenty four, I will say

26:13

this.

26:13

I. Don't think I would have become like

26:15

of wellness, grifter or anything,

26:18

but do think regularly

26:20

about how happy am

26:22

to have become a public figure in

26:24

my late thirties. And know my God,

26:26

I know, saw my God someone think

26:28

about, like any kind of media attention,

26:31

was twenty four and, like, honestly,

26:33

there, but for the grace of God. Go, I'my

26:35

my thoughts at that age operate, was

26:38

not a person you should listen to move five

26:40

hours day one. Down for on, oh,

26:42

my God, I forgot that this is like a three,

26:44

the way like Mega Downfall

26:47

is when it sounds like we're ramping up

26:49

for day to we find out.

26:51

That she never had cancer. Never

26:57

never.

26:58

None cancer ever known

27:00

cancer oh Jesus Michael

27:03

this is dorothy the whole

27:05

episode even more boring influencer

27:07

of as if nothing's just say,

27:09

such as and then you're like say cancer and like okay

27:11

gotta. say seven gosh

27:14

it's so gotta the

27:15

The goal is called

27:17

Mega Blogger Bell gives and casts

27:20

doubt on her own at cancer claims,

27:22

Sushi outed herself, "This

27:24

is a dog" And winding tale that

27:26

we will dissect at Great Lakes,

27:29

so I am sending you

27:31

a little accent.

27:32

For. You to read quote: An investigation

27:35

by the Australian has uncovered a series

27:37

of unusual and contradictory medical

27:39

claims by Gibson dating

27:41

from May two thousand and nine when

27:43

she claimed to. Have undergone multiple heart

27:45

surgery operations and momentarily

27:48

died on an operating table Gibson.

27:51

has also stated that in july

27:53

that same year when she was twenty doctor

27:55

told her she had terminal brain

27:57

cancer and would be dead and four months According

28:00

to the birth date on her own corporate filings,

28:02

she was seventeen at that. The time.

28:05

Oh. Baby Grifter, I lied earlier,

28:08

Bell Gibson was born in nineteen ninety one,

28:10

she's twenty one years old when the

28:12

avalanches is not twenty four, okay, think

28:14

about all the shit I? Just said about not wanting to be famous

28:17

when was twenty four, don't know, just

28:19

like multiply that by hundreds,

28:21

don't always be famous when was said by. Now.

28:24

That seems the terrible the Australian

28:27

you can, you can sense. The frustration through

28:30

the so objective journalistic towns.

28:32

They're talking about how they've asked her over and over

28:34

again for any documentary evidence

28:37

that she had. The answer I know from a doctor

28:39

and point.

28:40

In a scan results after

28:42

visit summary any and.

28:45

Hey. Nothing she can't produce

28:47

anything and she

28:50

makes these winding claims the journalist was

28:52

interviewed for a BBC

28:54

documentary on this case: "The came out this year it's and

28:56

he talks about" How you can't interview

28:58

her about anything because she just she rambles

29:01

she goes off into little corridors?

29:03

Then she doesn't she never directly.

29:05

The answers the question and it's impossible

29:08

to get clear in for me. The from her

29:10

so even in storied are like, "We

29:13

don't really know, because she won't you can't really nail

29:15

or down anything to check it so

29:17

hurt explanation" For the.

29:20

Is that she was misdiagnosed the

29:22

whole this, is the I'm so

29:24

stressed out about this isn't? stressed

29:29

out michael

29:30

"The purpose of but it has in the article

29:32

as in an interview with the Australian Gibson

29:35

said she now believes she was misdiagnosed

29:37

by medical team using", Magnetic

29:40

said.

29:40

The from Germany asked to

29:42

name the leader of the team she declined

29:44

and indicated she was not certain whether

29:46

he was a medical doctor who.

29:49

She still, it insists

29:51

that.

29:51

He added: "The old cancer,

29:54

the first cancer is real, even though she can provide

29:56

any evidence of it but that her new

29:58

diagnosis, the to. fourteen

30:00

At spread to my liver, it's Brenda, my spleen.

30:03

She's like I think was mistaken.

30:05

Are? You German doctors and it's my mistake

30:08

oh my god'so so day

30:10

three of, the on

30:12

for God oh my God we have

30:14

another fucking day, yeah, I keep

30:16

forgetting and. That keeps going back

30:18

to me and I'm like Jesus Christ what could it be announced

30:21

like she doesn't have a child what is it? success

30:24

no such cafe so

30:26

This is an article in the

30:28

city more.

30:29

Harold by Nick and Bow,

30:31

where the guys you wrote a by Ah?

30:32

The three of her that is called the

30:35

women who fool the world I couldn't tell you that

30:37

earlier because knew known it was. The course

30:39

of course these are. These are the guys that been investigating

30:41

her for months, and this includes

30:44

quotes from five men. The have her

30:46

inner circle. We say

30:48

that they have suspected that. in

30:50

have cancer for months. What there's

30:52

a trail of people behind

30:54

her former business associates,

30:57

people that were gonna get into business with her there

30:59

were like, oh, she's fucking like, "Whoa

31:02

is as one former friend?"

31:04

Out to be Superfood's business business, Gibson

31:06

last year because she questioned the app developer's

31:08

character after Miss Good.

31:09

That she had many aliases, my

31:11

account is wanted some basic paperwork stuff,

31:14

full name date of birth address, and

31:16

Bell said that might be an issue, she

31:18

said, "I have several name" That I go under,

31:20

it's a long story. Another person who

31:22

previously worked from his Gibson said she did

31:24

not believe. Cancer survival story it. She

31:27

would post on social media that she's been at

31:29

A. Doctor's appointment all day.

31:31

That she really was just going to the dentist,

31:33

she got her vinny

31:34

Does? She, would make it sound

31:36

like it was for cancer related illness

31:39

oh my God Michael,

31:43

lots and lots of reasons that people change their names,

31:45

trans people change their. Names people's yep and

31:48

you know targeted by Stockinger domestic

31:50

violence and their names are lots of reasons

31:52

for. that do we have Any sense

31:54

that any of those sorts of like?

31:57

Things might be true of that,

31:59

has she said any? The about like this is,

32:01

I mean, this is kind of it.

32:02

Shatter the story some can immediately after

32:04

these three stories come out, she basically

32:06

disappears, it's two months before

32:08

anybody here's anything for Bell Gibson essential.

32:11

During that two months we find out.

32:13

Lots of things, okay, so as

32:15

we often find on the show once somebody pushes

32:18

the door, everybody else, crowds, threats or of

32:20

them all these journalists are sifting through

32:22

her life and.

32:24

As with the thing with the aliases, the thing with her age

32:27

she lies. To everybody

32:29

in her life about everything.

32:31

The her mom contacts journalists

32:33

her mom did not know that she was an enforcer

32:35

or had an app or had a best selling book they

32:38

haven't spoken in years and. so

32:40

for mom is like or yes i have m s but it's

32:42

really not severe so that singer

32:44

Herbie in a caretaker in house.

32:46

When she was six, it's just not true, my

32:49

M. S. doesn't actually disabled me all that much

32:51

too.

32:52

Her brother is not autistic, what

32:54

say, "Contact the brother" and he's like, "No,

32:57

I'm a non autistic person just living

32:59

my life is the thing about her being fat

33:01

wasn't true, people find photos

33:03

of her as child and entertain and she's" Very

33:05

thin this. is from

33:07

the biographies oh

33:10

yikes i just okay we'll

33:12

have our quote

33:14

Those who knew her describe melodramatic

33:16

girl with a tendency to imitate

33:19

others who was prone. The lying.

33:22

Over the years she told number of people

33:24

that she was in witness protection

33:26

program I know one classmate

33:28

recalls Gibson claiming she was a test

33:30

to baby quote: "We all

33:32

felt like none of her stories she told

33:34

us were true", she says another.

33:37

classmate said gibson suppose that health

33:39

crises were part of an attempt to keep

33:41

up boyfriend At the time Jesus,

33:44

God, yeah, that's the theory

33:47

is that that's when she. The started doing the

33:49

cancer. Stick was when

33:51

this the we wanted to break up with her. This

33:53

is like seven. Law and order's s

33:55

V U apis is a perfect for

33:57

story that means multiple times over

33:59

the. Is she told it said Kelsey gamble

34:02

who went to neighboring school but attended

34:04

drama classes with Gibson in

34:06

our hometown shoes extremely well known

34:08

for what basically amounts to compulsive

34:10

lying she? was honestly

34:12

laughingstock half the time people

34:15

made fun of her kelsey was friends with

34:17

gibson on facebook until twenty fourteen

34:20

when she wrote public facebook message

34:22

accusing her of lying and was blocked

34:24

yeah this is so bad

34:26

and griffey and so disprove

34:29

ball and also it's death.

34:31

We makes me wonder if there is some

34:33

kind of. Trauma, history

34:35

or mental health day. No, C's are some

34:38

the I'm going on here because

34:40

like. This is A. Way

34:43

lot also people can just be bad

34:45

and say things that are not true, I know, manipulate

34:48

other people's complicated, yeah, was him

34:50

as a I didn't expect this episode to like, "Get

34:53

really complex, know it gets

34:55

just wait" Oh, okay, so

34:57

another thing.

34:58

The "We don't find out until this book comes out

35:00

a couple years later, it's is that to

35:03

have her closest friends, their names

35:05

or chanel", and Jared had an intervention

35:08

with her what this was months before

35:10

the book comes out just kind of after she had signed.

35:13

The papers and putting the text

35:15

should know who's I kind of a fascinating person.

35:18

Would someone who worked for Bell Gibson?

35:21

I didn't really think anything was fishy

35:24

and then her friends. We got cancer

35:26

and she sought. The things she saw

35:29

first one, it is like to live with cancer,

35:31

yeah, it's not l gets his lifestyle

35:34

on airplanes other times good enough to bali

35:36

for a yoga retreat jogging

35:39

in the mornings, yeah, it's not fucking.

35:41

Instagram post about a mango steam

35:43

smooth the.

35:44

Exactly and just constant like chooses,

35:46

curated a perfect healthy life,

35:48

but Earth's asterisk ios. The brain cancer

35:51

move to, like this, is not cancer

35:53

and also her friend's mom.

35:56

ended up dying partly because she

35:58

didn't undergo can.

36:00

No cancer treatments, ah, mother

36:02

fucker, and she's very clear she's like I don't

36:04

blame Bell Gibson like it's not I'm not going

36:06

to do. A straight line between Bell Gibson, my friend's

36:08

mom.

36:09

But it's part of a whole kind of pond

36:12

of bad information that she was swimming in

36:14

right, she's there to have doubts, so her

36:16

and this other inner circle person

36:19

in Jared go over to Bell's house

36:21

and are like Bell your book.

36:23

The about to come out, you are about

36:25

to explode into

36:28

the public mainstream and away you never

36:30

have before.

36:31

You need to show us some sort of proof

36:34

that you had cancer.

36:34

We have questions all of this stuff is

36:36

really fishy nobody had ever asked her.

36:39

Dreamily basic questions about whether

36:41

she has had cancer or could just. Rabid,

36:44

in any way, this is very. into I'm

36:46

gonna send you an excerpt from the book of

36:48

them are confronting her about this.

36:50

The know can still recall the exchange

36:52

that night word for word. He

36:55

started by asking Gibson about the Instagram

36:57

post the one in which he announced that her cancer

36:59

had spread to other vital organs she.

37:02

asked her if she could tell them the name

37:04

of the doctor who would give her the diagnosis

37:07

dr phil she said "Are

37:09

you serious, chanel was incredulous,

37:11

Dr. Phil, he's now disappeared",

37:13

she said. His colleagues told me his

37:16

practices were. Questionable question.

37:19

Double said, you know? Not mean

37:21

your diagnosis is questionable. Gibson

37:23

said she said. The could be. Well,

37:26

wouldn't the first thing you do be to

37:28

go and find out what the real diagnosis is?

37:30

I don't have time, it seems like this

37:32

is what it's like to have conversations with Bob Gibson.

37:36

You're on with worries about as you might not

37:38

have cancer, you're not going to go investigate that

37:40

at all, also Dr. Phil.

37:44

You know Dr Phil here in Australia

37:48

it, is astonishing to me that she would

37:50

see that her cancer had metastasized

37:53

hell and undercut her own fucking

37:55

diet sit like it's just wild

37:58

i know as this episode (Grasses)

38:00

I'm just becoming maalik a series

38:03

of like just Wales

38:05

place,. that

38:07

sounds of discuss and bad feelings

38:10

my favor

38:11

The job it is that at one point,

38:13

Bell Gibson says she feels outnumbered

38:15

and gang up on so she calls a

38:17

"natural"

38:18

Path that she's been working with and

38:20

ask him to come over to sort be her support

38:22

for this long and difficult conversation. Then,

38:25

and according to the naturopath who they interview

38:27

for the biography, she turns on

38:29

her halfway through blow, and I'm like, "Yeah,

38:31

Bell, it's really weird that you can't put"

38:33

Any evidence that you were,

38:36

even like of the Woo people are like I've

38:38

really seems like your. life says

38:41

But the hole in the I mean just also like.

38:43

Hall in the reinforcements and then the reinforcements

38:46

are like with that other guys make its good points

38:50

about, it's. basically

38:53

this night she walks out that night saying

38:55

to bell like you need to pull this book

38:58

You can just gonna disappear it.

38:59

When you're just a person on Instagram, yeah,

39:01

and you need to take the gravity of this really seriously,

39:04

you're about to do something really stupid that you can't take back

39:06

at Bell just like can't hear it. So,

39:09

chanel leaves.

39:10

And she contacts or four years while

39:13

goods honestly good for Chanel, that's an

39:15

incredibly difficult. The

39:17

thing to do but

39:19

also like if that was like my mom

39:22

or of family friend who was

39:24

dear to me or something I.

39:26

would be hard pressed to

39:28

find any other course of

39:30

action oh yeah i mean did chanel the only

39:32

person with any moral compass in the stories of

39:35

diseases like christmas this is

39:37

wrong

39:37

Then she gave Bell gifts

39:39

and the opportunity to quietly

39:42

back down here, but now I'm in.

39:44

Based on the app, the book coming out

39:46

this two month period after these three stories

39:48

come out and all.

39:49

This information the interview with the mom interview

39:52

with the brother everything else to,

39:54

this day bell gibson is one of the Most

39:56

hated figures in Australia wow and

39:58

easily top five list. This is a

40:00

rough. Man, I'm surprised

40:02

see that can be easy about smoothies being dumb,

40:05

but as I say about cancer, been bad

40:07

and how people should lie about the thought it was gonna be

40:09

right in my wheelhouse of like announced

40:12

cleanses or nonsense and whatever.

40:15

But an got really mad reading all

40:17

the coverage from this period because

40:20

all of the store. The framed around you

40:22

won't believe how shameless this person was

40:24

slime to her friends, she lied

40:26

to her boyfriend, she's tricking the whole country.

40:29

Look how shameless and how terrible this

40:31

person is, but then also. If

40:33

it was fucking obvious.

40:35

Why were you putting her on TV, yeah, why

40:37

were you giving her awards why we're were? Do not

40:39

shirking this, does I mean the fact? Mel

40:42

Gibson was so obvious of.

40:44

Liar and so compulsive of a liar

40:46

and lying about everything. Yeah,

40:49

it makes Belle Gibson look bad, it makes the meat. The

40:51

look way worse.

40:52

What Michael she

40:55

was son and fearless a

40:57

third son sear this email

41:01

said. she was financier lives what

41:03

am i supposed to think that she's not

41:05

fine and she's Not be or less.

41:07

Because you have nothing to fear come on do

41:09

it do you wanna you wanna hear about Cosmo

41:12

oh God tell me about Cosmo

41:14

so says I'm with

41:16

it I want to take you to live a town with May also?

41:19

have for after cosmo in l both publish

41:22

these glowing articles

41:23

About Bill Gates and ends when he fourteen,

41:26

they both receive the same.

41:27

In a letter and you are going

41:29

to read it, okay?

41:30

It has come to my attention that you've published a story

41:33

about girl I have known my whole life her,

41:35

name is Bell Gibson, creator of the

41:37

whole pantry app and book

41:40

and the so called terminal cancer patient.

41:43

unfortunately there are a few things you

41:45

might need to know before you consider publishing more

41:47

about this woman for one this

41:49

girl isn't twenty six years old she

41:51

was born in nineteen ninety one class

41:53

of away when i'm high school

41:55

and queensland i've known bell since

41:57

her childhood and i'm close with her mother And

42:00

she is always had problem with fabricating stories

42:02

from nothing on regular basis

42:04

or. You must be aware

42:06

of this before you publish stories about this

42:08

woman she is selling her sake

42:11

sob story in order to profit from her app

42:13

and book sales she's wolf

42:15

in sheep's clothing master manipulator

42:19

sincerely, sick of seeing

42:21

her lies published. okay

42:23

so this could have been the shot

42:25

heard round the world this could have been when

42:27

this story broke oh yeah okay

42:30

so cosmo and l

42:32

do nothing with this

42:34

They get specific information

42:37

this is.

42:37

The year she graduated they get

42:39

a huge lead say

42:42

it appears like do some of the light

42:44

googling and,

42:46

then give it up. i'm so livid

42:48

about this because both l and cosmo

42:51

Two month period before Bell response.

42:54

They both published me a culpas of

42:56

like one, we publish

42:58

this lady who doesn't have

43:00

cancer, we told you they have cancer and

43:02

L Cosmo publicist's letter.

43:05

What we did received the letter.

43:07

You are right but. didn't

43:09

do anything She's

43:11

claiming to cure cancer with

43:13

a gluten free.

43:15

This is Harry and Diet which you,

43:17

actually have a huge responsibility to check

43:19

those things are free to put about in the world I

43:22

feel similarly. about

43:24

cosmo that you sort of expressed feeling

43:27

about matthew walkers book which is like when

43:29

you are writing for a popular

43:31

audience Yeah, you our duty.

43:34

Sound to get it right

43:36

and the core argument is here

43:38

is like it's popular media, so what does it matter

43:40

know what we need to be focusing

43:42

on here? Is it going out

43:45

on the biggest platform to the

43:47

widest audience yes it totally

43:49

fucking matters that you fact check

43:51

your shit yes and?

43:54

cosmo in their me a copper does the

43:56

most chicken shit saying so

43:58

The read few, they say.

44:00

We need to acknowledge that we not only promoted

44:02

her or to our readers. It also may

44:04

have unwittingly said. That you, Asian.

44:07

If she has in fact live on willingly

44:09

this one, it I you're gonna die to

44:12

be fair, Bill. The and honored

44:14

for being a role model is was honored for her

44:16

app, which is still fantastic.

44:21

What are it's gotta find a female,

44:23

word, not the like, decent running

44:26

app, word that she's clearly

44:28

you're clearly lifting her up as someone

44:30

to be emulate? In the been on. I

44:33

gonna say.

44:34

When when you get a little mad get

44:36

so mad when.

44:39

you get little when

44:42

Right thing and also drives me nuts, as you

44:44

can also tell that they didn't

44:46

do the most.

44:47

Basic fact checking

44:49

have any of her actual claims because

44:51

as soon as all this information comes out, pupils are contacting

44:54

doctors and doctor.

44:56

Like, oh yeah, that's not how brain cancer works, Bell

44:58

was talking about having staged. You

45:00

brain cancer? There's no such thing

45:03

brain tumors are measure.

45:04

The grades it's like grades one and

45:06

two know a two minute conversation.

45:09

The oncologist know like oh yeah that makes

45:11

the I mean it feels like

45:14

this. is also the level of skepticism

45:16

were willing to use when it comes to quote

45:18

unquote wellness shit

45:20

Is just like she says she has cancer,

45:23

and she says this curative, so here we aren't like

45:25

it's just fucked man, it's

45:27

just Fox, we also find

45:29

out that. The publisher.

45:31

The height of Sorta knew what, so

45:33

there are emails to

45:36

her publisher five months.

45:39

The for the book comes out we don't know

45:41

how to.

45:42

Would you emails or from one editor

45:44

emails another editor and says it a jealous

45:46

friend? In saying that

45:48

bogus in his life.

45:50

My human, you know, it might have somebody else has some

45:53

other people who were like this lady lying, but

45:55

we know that they were tipped off. The'and

45:57

and the really I mean honestly from

45:59

like.

46:00

Even a self preservation standpoint, Baffling

46:02

saying. Instead of.

46:04

Putting the brakes on and be like, "Okay, well, let's

46:06

check out, let's make sure we have documentary evidence

46:09

that she had cancer like was triple check this"

46:12

You're does is they go, oh, Bell,

46:14

you're going to get questions so

46:17

we need to give. The media coaching.

46:19

Ah, yes, Michael,

46:22

so they do a ninety minute, this

46:24

is now gone online depositions,

46:26

die or video where they basically

46:28

play the role. The tough

46:30

grilling journalist and the ask

46:33

bell all this stuff about her cancer.

46:35

Then. She does your bell get something where she's like prevaricates

46:38

and she's really vague, and it's all twisting

46:40

and turning and see they can't nail her down or anything,

46:43

and they. Just keep going back to like all you're

46:45

gonna have to know you're gonna have to have. Better answer

46:48

on that next time to journalists are really going to probes know.

46:51

Then they consider the possibility that she's actually full

46:53

of shit, yeah, it's so tough cause

46:55

like.

46:56

Then. 'An of work and investment it takes

46:58

for an author and a publisher

47:01

to release of book is humongous

47:05

and, the seals little bit like movie

47:08

getting to post production. And like

47:10

it's trailer coming out and then

47:12

it never being released is essentially will

47:14

react. proposing here which is

47:16

like lot to fucking answer for

47:19

i can understand the fears

47:22

of how it would come off and

47:24

all of that kind of stuff but those

47:26

has to be fucking outweighed

47:29

by the fears of Howling people

47:31

who have real? The answer: advice

47:34

from someone who has made up cancer

47:36

do. The guess what their defense

47:38

or?

47:39

This is because of course during a two month period

47:41

before Bell speaks they

47:43

are called upon to. be

47:45

like what did you fact check this book did you do anything

47:47

you want to guess what their response was the

47:49

industry standard is not to fact check

47:52

nonfiction books or even

47:54

worse they say we didn't

47:56

seal it was necessary because

47:59

the whole pantry The collection of.

48:00

Recipes cool live.

48:05

in utopia everything's great

48:08

first of all you should test recipes

48:11

Direct secondly, it also includes

48:13

the three thousand word essay, "We're Bell

48:15

Pox about having cancer and how" Cleared it with

48:17

foods.

48:18

The only reason anyone is buying this book

48:21

is because of her personal story

48:23

people can get recipes anywhere

48:26

God damn it.

48:26

That the biographies of

48:29

footnotes the for see also call

48:31

on Apple's I call what the hell that Apple circuit

48:33

is.

48:33

That all an apple like sticks by her apple,

48:36

why spell we noticed less allies?

48:38

Right to push when the Internet, but we believe you

48:41

feel some wanted somebody to lose faith

48:43

in like Apple, that an advantage of also

48:45

what as Tampa so.

48:47

The protein the book is pulpits oh wow

48:49

so they did and a bag and.

48:51

Oh. It's toast okay the app

48:53

is quietly pulled from the AP store

48:55

know lot of information about

48:58

her like old articles an stuff have been pulled

49:00

off the internet if it's wild. Her old her

49:02

old blog isn't even an archive dot.org org

49:04

didn't even know people, oh this

49:07

was like stage one of the backlash do

49:09

want to watch clip of Bell returning.

49:11

To public life oh yikes

49:14

this is going to be even darker somehow

49:17

it's her it's hard I find isn't totally

49:19

impossible watch twenty.

49:22

three Why see how old

49:24

are you? I've

49:26

always been raised. Has

49:29

been partly a twenty. The year old.

49:32

How old are you?

49:34

Well, I lose knowing as I've

49:36

always known that would be twenty six,

49:38

okay, though. I'm I'm.

49:41

The really, really simple questions,

49:44

how old are you? I believe

49:46

that I'm twenty six and has.

49:48

That to best they hit and

49:50

have had my name change four times. The

49:53

identity crisis there is big but.

49:56

that was my normal when Growing up car

49:58

that should do, you know it is it. The they

50:00

know.

50:01

Probably. A question that enough to keep digging

50:03

for oh,

50:07

right I do so while was watching

50:09

that thinking about how

50:11

uncomfortable you got seeing a clip

50:14

of musical. When you were talking my

50:16

hands the is on you're wrong about, if

50:19

your threshold for discomfort

50:21

his. musical theater this

50:23

is this shit at such massive rather

50:25

see your this is so far

50:27

off the charts of like discomfort

50:29

world fi have my little hands over my little face

50:32

also i am one hundred percent

50:34

keeping this window open because

50:36

as soon as we finished recording i'm gonna go watch this

50:38

entire fucking bag The tracks

50:41

the other thing that feels challenging about

50:43

the meat.

50:43

The role here is that

50:45

you know we've seen her on T V

50:48

and we've seen her like become.

50:50

this rising star With the help

50:52

of a major boost from major

50:54

me. Then. Outlets like Fine at Sunrise

50:57

and Cosmo, and now they're

50:59

good to be major boost, Sue major

51:01

media outlets who and Hick

51:03

at the corpse of the story

51:05

right and do all. Of this downfall coverage,

51:08

as well also sixty

51:10

minutes paid her seventy five thousand dollars

51:12

for the Center of Hell.

51:13

Fuck off Michael Fuck off,

51:15

this gets off off.

51:15

One of the other reasons why this interview is so uncomfortable

51:17

is because milking. nestor gonna

51:20

make way more than seven five thousand dollars from the special

51:22

That's one of the most watched TV

51:24

events of the year and Australia that year and

51:27

the whole interview. The old

51:29

read her things that she wrote into that nine

51:31

or to read her Instagram posts.

51:34

Like, were you diagnosed in a doctor's office or

51:36

not in doctor's office and then they?

51:38

And about your her back and forth, but there's

51:40

no, there's no actual

51:42

endeavor to figure out what happens,

51:45

they don't interview anyone else, we don't have any

51:47

investigation. It's just a quote

51:49

unquote hard hitting interview, but

51:51

at the end of it you haven't learned anything.

51:54

Yeah, and it also. Have you

51:56

picked this up from the? What do we watch, but like

51:59

she doesn't see?

52:00

To be capable of admitting that

52:02

she was lying about anything right so just

52:04

becomes like however

52:06

whatever thirty four minutes and thirty one

52:08

seconds I'm looking at the time stamp

52:11

of. what's the truth what's the tree

52:13

applets the truth and getting like different

52:15

versions of the same answer every

52:17

time and this weird slippery thing which

52:19

is like Okay, I feel like

52:22

your point is made by the length

52:24

of the clip that you just sent me,

52:26

want to say that feel sorry for Bell and.

52:28

The interview, but it's like they're

52:30

not really doing journalism here.

52:32

Yeah, I mean, am against

52:35

diagnosing.

52:35

Any one with something if you haven't met

52:37

them, so I don't know what her actual deal

52:40

isn't it want to speculate it, but the behavior

52:43

that she is exhibiting? In some

52:45

sort of compulsive or pathological

52:47

line yeah the definition of pathological

52:50

lying is people who live for no

52:53

personal gain and,

52:55

this is what is so striking to me it's

52:57

read the interview The news clip that it's like

52:59

it's so and. The strategic he

53:02

had any cool. Then. Calculated

53:05

mastermind manipulator for

53:07

just admit the lying about the age thing

53:10

was too young nobody would take me seriously if

53:12

they thought it was three years younger, so said.

53:14

That was twenty one when was eighteen, yeah,

53:16

no, not old, Mariah Carey is like lying

53:18

about your age, is that the biggest deal in the world,

53:21

but the fact. That she can't just.

53:23

admit it and move on or even admit

53:26

the fact that she's lying about Cancer she sort of. Prepare

53:29

he's like, "Well, believe that at the time"

53:30

Then. "Stuff there's no strategy

53:33

I worked as a kindergarten

53:36

classroom assistant for year, there

53:38

is one point which I was like out supervising

53:40

recess and watch this one

53:43

kid. Look, down

53:45

see a pine cone pick

53:47

it up and whip it out another kid's,

53:50

and I just watched the entire thing.

53:52

happen am i parked

53:55

his name at him and he just or wield

53:57

around and didn't see even where the The

54:00

you know call out was coming from felt,

54:02

like while he was wheeling around in his eyes

54:04

were searching he where I didn't do it settles

54:07

it delivered was your name is. if

54:09

you'll accept part of what's happening here is just

54:11

like someone who is freaked the hell out

54:14

sand is weirdly backed into

54:16

a corner for sort of through

54:18

weird hell of their own making for no

54:21

discernible reason another thing that

54:23

i think is really is real The retelling

54:25

is in this in.

54:27

The you with her mom or

54:29

her mom is like a bell was not doing

54:31

housework.

54:32

My my m's isn't severe, this

54:34

is a call from her mom bell, never care for

54:36

me for brothers or two. The as he barely

54:38

done minute's housework in her life. Then.

54:40

Product: We worked myself into an early grave to

54:42

give that girl everything she wanted in life,

54:44

phone bills, close beauty treatments, you name

54:47

it, and this is how she repays me. She's

54:49

just girl who's always had ideas above

54:51

her station, he was never happy with what she

54:53

had: "I was embarrassed by her family for

54:55

taste became more expensive and she" Was living

54:57

beyond her means and she was addicted to her

54:59

computer, she doesn't seem to be sorry

55:02

I've never seen her cry in her life, I'm

55:04

not even sure she's capable. Of empathy, Jesus.

55:07

God from your fucking mother.

55:09

Or in the media on their mom do,

55:12

it makes me feel really uncomfortable to

55:14

hear parents, not whether kids like that every

55:16

part of this is so uncomfortable, so

55:18

stop the war and then to journalists

55:21

who write a biography talk about

55:23

they interviewed them all. She at some

55:25

point also says that she's in witness relocation,

55:27

she says. The new because of them. Yeah,

55:30

she has all these other health problems

55:32

that she talks about and she's like, oh, it's terminal,

55:34

I'm gonna die in month and then they'll

55:36

talk to her the next day and she's like, "Oh, it's

55:38

not that big of deal it's like" The early fact my life

55:41

at all. Her mom is also

55:43

her mom is lying, just like Bell

55:45

is only talk about how

55:47

after the interview them on the mom

55:49

starts calling them every day. Then

55:52

talking for hours and it's totally inconsistent,

55:55

she changes her story about Belt and she says, "Really

55:57

nice things about Bell and then she says really"

56:00

Things about balance sheet at one point says

56:02

the she has six kids. But her own mom

56:05

says that she.

56:05

Five kids, what I do know that

56:07

her mom as a boy tell her that her brother was artistic

56:10

and she believed that the.

56:11

The gonna say this points in a direction

56:13

that I did not anticipate which is like

56:16

possibly just like straight up learned

56:18

behaviors this isn't even the most

56:20

arranged West's do you want to hear the

56:22

most bananas shit about this

56:25

is? my ten other podcast and a bunch of documentaries

56:27

about this

56:28

I have not seen this mentioned anywhere else

56:30

and it's a really important detail.

56:32

Are you ready I am because must

56:34

be Dr. Phil was real

56:37

who?

56:43

So in, twenty minutes

56:45

up there with a guy and moving

56:48

around Melbourne natural

56:50

healing world named Silll

56:53

Best. and

56:55

the authors of the book

56:57

track him down and it turns out

57:00

he did actually diagnosed

57:02

mel gibson with cancer see also

57:05

We had a TV show where

57:07

he launched the career of bad baby

57:10

fast. now they've seen receipts

57:12

that he was providing services to her

57:15

he was only six hundred dollar monthly

57:17

retainer glad she ended up paying him

57:19

i think eight thousand dollars he dies

57:21

or never diagnosed or with him

57:23

But also a it is illegal in

57:25

Australia for.

57:26

People are doctors to give diagnoses, I

57:28

believe so he can't say that

57:30

he's like. But he have an incentive

57:32

to lie.

57:32

If. He did diagnosed with cancer, know

57:34

this is also just like a this entire

57:37

episode is whole world

57:40

of fucking deeply unreliable

57:42

narrator, so at this point I'm sure

57:45

man everyone's. Telling the truth everyone's lie

57:47

and everything's garbage, I don't know

57:49

the mean we've talked to many times about how

57:51

these simple media narrative of like

57:53

she's. The terrible person off

57:55

in.

57:56

obscure more interesting stories,

57:58

so the intro. Story here

58:01

is it, it seems in twenty fourteen she

58:03

was.

58:04

In some black dude who

58:06

told her she had for cancers

58:09

or something. She then

58:12

went in it.

58:12

To a hospital to get

58:15

a.

58:15

Rio scan they scanned her

58:17

and said it was negative, but she

58:19

kept telling people that she had cancer old

58:22

was not it's not. The weird binary

58:24

thing of like did she believe it or

58:26

was it a lot? Hey, it's like she

58:28

believed they for.

58:29

Version. Of it, but she was also

58:31

exaggerating even the version of it that she believed

58:34

this is the like White Lady influencer

58:36

version of, like, when a fuckin

58:38

white person commits a. Mass

58:40

murderer and we say other

58:43

person had mental illness raids

58:45

and when someone who's not why does the same

58:47

thing we talk about them in terms of like terrorism

58:50

or? In terms of crime, super predator or

58:52

rates are like I am can

58:54

feel myself bending over backwards

58:57

to give this woman the benefit of the doubt

59:00

and, also I. Know that

59:02

is part of a fucking pattern of

59:04

doing that with white people in way

59:06

that we absolutely never do with

59:09

anybody else. if

59:11

he'll so tricky to talk about this

59:14

the lake on the caesar that this is someone

59:16

who lied to people who have

59:18

cancer for to me i already

59:20

know the emails that were

59:21

Get that are like you're defending Bell Gibson

59:23

and, like, know, that's not, I don't

59:26

think this exists.

59:27

On some sort of binary thing of

59:29

like either she's bad or she's good.

59:31

I think that if you believe.

59:34

The this woman is a huge piece of shit I

59:36

don't know the right disagrees, yeah, but also.

59:39

Though given is not the last piece of shit

59:41

who's going to use Instagram, yeah, Ferguson

59:43

is not the last.

59:44

Piece of shit who's going to lie

59:46

and try to sell people some cure

59:48

for cancer, yeah, it's like it's almost irrelevant

59:51

all of this personal stuff, and you know

59:53

what led her to do this because

59:55

the whole thing is. There are no

59:57

systems in place to prevent this from happening again

59:59

and also. It's now twenty one,

1:00:01

all this happen and twenty to scene, and it has happened

1:00:03

like ten more time. Yeah, totally totally,

1:00:06

it's interesting as a human story why somebody

1:00:08

would do this. The fact

1:00:10

that she is now one of the most

1:00:12

hated people in Australia and like.

1:00:14

Penguin Books and Cosmo

1:00:17

He ah.

1:00:18

Are not like that the any is a much bigger

1:00:20

problem that these institutions that have no control

1:00:23

than place are still essentially

1:00:25

doing the same thing is so.

1:00:28

Tough because all of this

1:00:30

shit rate like the people who have to

1:00:32

deal with the fallout of this

1:00:34

are certainly. bell and her mom

1:00:37

right There's a ton

1:00:39

of flow back on ton

1:00:41

of people who didn't exactly or as late

1:00:44

people who actually have cancer

1:00:47

and M S and. like

1:00:49

people who are chronically ill and disabled

1:00:51

who already cease like on told

1:00:54

levels of lights is your disability

1:00:56

The real prove that I know

1:00:58

the we're is it, ah, we're going to change.

1:01:01

You're fucking income, your disability

1:01:03

income based on how real it

1:01:05

seems to us now, and think

1:01:07

the recklessness of all of this

1:01:10

is like. don't know, man, blow

1:01:12

up your own life if you want to, guess.

1:01:15

But like dragging in

1:01:18

like people who are genuinely

1:01:20

dealing with all of this shit, know

1:01:22

if with so.

1:01:23

Deeply fuck, you wanna hear

1:01:26

that deeply focused thing that I was in for

1:01:28

later, proper, you now, okay, tell me now

1:01:30

so. That little kid who

1:01:32

actually had brain cancer and ended up dying

1:01:34

a brain cancer at age five. Because

1:01:37

he was associated with Mel Gibson, they had done.

1:01:40

Instagram posts she had done fundraiser.

1:01:42

But his kid his. parents that the

1:01:44

last couple months of his life getting hate

1:01:46

mail from people saying your son is seeking cancer

1:01:49

to and also they got no money from

1:01:51

bells

1:01:51

Greater cause she was fucking lying about that, yeah, they're

1:01:53

grieving the loss of there's small

1:01:56

child and they're also

1:01:58

dealing with threats. The

1:02:00

basis of their association with someone

1:02:02

who told them she would help them

1:02:05

exactly commander of the worst

1:02:07

outcome of these kinds of cases. The

1:02:10

like, oh, we have to like check every. But

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cancer diagnosis now. Early

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get somebody on the inner, it's as like.

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a terrible outcome from there's

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here would yet another reason

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we should be able. To

1:02:24

count on existing media institutions

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with existing resources to check

1:02:30

these calls.

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Lane yeah. you know i

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abide strictly by the spiderman principal

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simply hinton how are there is great responsible

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The who has more power in the situation?

1:02:40

In right, the people who have

1:02:42

power, year or less people

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and more like people in institutions,

1:02:46

yes, and those institutions are not

1:02:49

exactly like small and struggling,

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it's fucking Cosmo and sixty

1:02:53

minutes these are not small

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outlets, these are match your major.

1:02:59

The machines of public. The thing

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and TV production

1:03:03

and deliberately blind to how much power

1:03:06

they have, yeah, when you give

1:03:08

somebody attention like this when you legitimize

1:03:10

somebody claims. You can't then

1:03:12

turn around. They won't reduce praise

1:03:15

or of her up works well, I also

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like your cause my voice. Ha

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ha ha.

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you'd women males only this and I,

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want to end with quotes. julio

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can.

1:03:35

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Bell in twenty fifteen and then she

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died of her cancer in late twenty six

1:03:41

and because she had real cancer.

1:03:45

Though she says it baby hard

1:03:47

to be.

1:03:48

The anyone could believe Bell Gibson,

1:03:50

but let me tell you there's nothing more compelling

1:03:52

than a glimmer of hope offered by women

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with unlined hands and healthy nails

1:03:57

and seemingly the potential for long and healthy

1:03:59

lives.

1:04:00

Women who were once just like you pregnant

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with deadly malignancies cheered for that one

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single bag of fido toxic chemicals

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delivered into their bloodstream.

1:04:08

I. Didn't seek an alternative path to my cancer,

1:04:11

opting for what has been a brutal but proven

1:04:13

protocol to extend my life because

1:04:15

chemotherapy has worked for me I have had. fifteen

1:04:18

months of precious time time, this

1:04:20

allowed me to experience and enjoy and watch

1:04:22

my children grow and the potential is still

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there for much more time and that alone

1:04:26

is" The reason can't forgive Bell Gibson,

1:04:29

she would like us to see her as a victim that difficult

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childhood robbed her of her relationship with

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the truth I like to. Think of myself as a compassionate

1:04:35

person and I can feel a little bit for

1:04:37

her yep, she fucked up, all right, but

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not for few days, few weeks or a. Few months,

1:04:42

nope for years, she rated in

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by defrauding people and charities that. No,

1:04:46

he was collecting on their behalf, and they didn't

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see son.

1:04:50

The very worst thing that Bell did

1:04:52

was to rob people of the months and maybe year.

1:04:54

The life they might have had if they took

1:04:56

the kids. No path and time offered by

1:04:58

cancer treatment.

1:04:59

That while toxic are proven to work,

1:05:01

oh forever, Bell did.

1:05:04

The now put the people who amplify bolted

1:05:06

I didn't expect that we would have an influencer

1:05:09

episode where now just am left

1:05:11

with this like deep. sense of

1:05:13

dread and despair but here we fucking

1:05:15

are and now am The thing. Then

1:05:18

know. What will take

1:05:20

care of my?

1:05:22

The sense of dread and,

1:05:24

despair and that is a

1:05:27

mangosteen's movies suffer

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girls said in player appear gonna look into that

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you've only had twelve cups of juice I'm

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gonna do call Dr Phil and see what. that