In this interview, I talk to Jamie about the human journey.  We talk about why we are on this earth and how to connect with the divine.  I agree with Jamie that depression can be caused by a lack of connection with joy and love. Because I find it so important, prayer/meditation, gratitude practices, personal passions, and social conections built into the workbook of The Mastery Of Change.You can learn more about the materials from this podcast at http://www.MasteryOfChange.com