In Episode 180, Josh attempted to explain how Eric Hannan, friend of the podcast, was evolving the role of product owners at his previous job. The attempt was valiant, but ultimately failed to deliver any real clarity. 😀

To remedy that situation, we asked Eric to join us for this episode and provide some insight around his efforts. Paired with those insights are a few well deserved barbs thrown Bob's way for some of the conclusions he jumped to a little too quickly about Eric's approach in Episode 180.

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