In Episode 14 of the “NCHER in 30” podcast, the NCHER staff provides updates on several advocacy activities of importance to the membership that occurred in late November and early December. In particular, James and Shelly discuss the recent speech by Education Secretary Betsy DeVos to the Federal Student Aid (FSA) Training Conference and her call for Congress to make FSA an independent agency to improve oversight and customer service. Then, Pam Shepherd interviews Christiana Thornton, President and Chief Executive Officer of the New Hampshire Higher Education Assistance Foundation Network Organizations, on being a new leader in the higher education finance industry. If you have any feedback or have topic suggestions for future episodes, please send comments to [email protected].