I went back to the vault and found this episode. It was initially a 2 part series but I am going to release as one episode.  I also would like to admit that I made a mistake  during the intro of the podcast episode which Sam was correct during the podcast 

This is an episode which was initially intended to be titled as  a screen writer and Sam and I chatted with B. Mark Seabrooks. We talked about being a bartender, making a good Bloody Mary and the idea of making good art without the bad art. We talked about the "production studio" language and how he got rid of his ego in thinking "Drama is art" by relating to his father's job. We talked about race and writing with authenticity and how character is not as much as we think it may be. 

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