In this conversation, I connected with Dhiraj Mukherjee who is co-founder of Shazam - the music recognition app that was founded during the end of the dot-com bubble in 2000 and they surfed multiple crises before finally being acquired 18 years later by Apple for a reported $400 million. He is now an active angel investor focused on Tech for Good, and with a particular interest in the climate emergency.I first met and worked with Dhiraj 7 years ago and we reconnected recently when he posted an interesting blog post called Designing for Uncertainty about the importance of agility in finding opportunities for innovation when faced with a crisis, such as the current pandemic.We talked about having random conversations (through being a dog owner), spotting when you are in the right place or knowing when you are in a dead end, and the importance of patience and the long view when it comes to innovation and navigating a crisis.This podcast is a production by Liminal, the collective intelligence community. With particular thanks to our new patrons and members - Krystina Nyzell, Joshua Baker, Senan Largey, Will Rolph, Sam Roots. To find out more or to join the community please visit https://www.weareliminal.co/.See below a few links, to find out more about Dhiraj and some of the things we talked about. Until next time, please keep on connecting people and ideas. Thanks and goodbyehttps://dhirajmukherjee.com/https://www.shazam.com/https://dhirajmukherjee.com/designing-for-uncertainty/https://bcorporation.uk/https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/43GjCh72bxWVSqSB84ZDJw0/reith-lectures-2020-how-we-get-what-we-value