Ben and Shel venture outside their comfort zone this week for a dynamic conversation with eSports executive Ari Segal, CEO of Immortals and the L.A. Valiant of Overwatch League and former President of the San Diego Gulls. Recorded during a viewing party for the Valiant's season-opening game against the Hangzhou Spark, the podcast features some incredible insights from Ari that transcend eSports. Even the venue is unique...an eSports bar called GuildHall in Burbank. Listen to this one, and you'll wish Ari was in charge of your favorite team.