In honour of her inauguration as professor in Design Methodology for Sustainability & Circular Economy,  Ianus Keller talks with Conny Bakker about the Champions League of sustainable design, digging for world views, why the dinosaurs have had their time and dancing with systems.

References in this episode:

Stephen Gould: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Jay_Gould

Donella H. Meadows - Thinking in systems: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3828902-thinking-in-systems

Notion: https://www.notion.so/