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Packernet After Dark: Lions Game Hype, Playoff Scenarios, and Sustained Chaos

Packernet After Dark: Lions Game Hype, Playoff Scenarios, and Sustained Chaos

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Packernet After Dark: Lions Game Hype, Playoff Scenarios, and Sustained Chaos

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wondering if you could do me a

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area, I was trying to figure out

2:17

how is it I can get the

2:19

Packers to play the commanders, the commanders,

2:21

because that's like one of the teams

2:24

that have. I feel like we could

2:26

beat the crap out of them. And

2:29

I was more likely to not

2:31

going to division, they could probably

2:33

win the division, the commanders. I'm

2:35

trying to figure out how is

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it they could host us. Maybe

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in a while call or the

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next one. So you could break

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because I'm hoping that happens so

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and maybe I'd get up with

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the game. So it's a year

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can I appreciate it. Let me

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look up, so I haven't used

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it yet, but the ESPN usually

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has, I think it's a playoff

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machine. Sure enough, they got it

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right here. So you want Washington

3:14

to host us, we'd have to

3:17

lose some games, I'm pretty sure.

3:19

But right now, because right now

3:21

they're the seventh seed, they're not

3:23

hosting Jack squad. So I

3:25

hate to run through it, but we're

3:27

going to have to do some losses

3:29

here. So Green Bay would lose to

3:31

Detroit. Washington play. Do they still have

3:33

buy weeks going on? I don't see

3:35

Washington anywhere. Skip to next week. Washington

3:37

beats New Orleans. That would put them

3:39

at 9 and 5 us at 9

3:41

and 4. Uh, we,

3:44

do we lose to, oh freaking,

3:46

okay, we lose to, uh, Seattle.

3:48

So it would make us the

3:51

number seven seed, and so in

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that, all you have to do

3:55

is be below them, and then

3:58

anything is possible, even from this

4:00

standpoint, um, let's see. would face

4:03

the number two seed Washington, so

4:05

we would have to beat Washington,

4:07

or excuse me, Philadelphia, Washington would

4:10

have to beat Seattle. It doesn't

4:12

really matter there. As the seventh

4:14

seed, we would obviously go to

4:17

Detroit. So Washington would play, whoever

4:19

the winner of Minnesota Atlanta is.

4:22

And so basically, it would have

4:24

to be the NFC championship game

4:26

in that scenario, basically, with Washington

4:29

being ahead of us. Not the

4:31

most likely scenario, but for two

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low-seated teams to be playing each

4:36

other, they just got to beat

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everybody else, because all the better

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teams end up playing the low-seeded

4:43

teams. And then, you know, the

4:45

only other scenario would be Washington

4:48

gets ahead of Philadelphia. So let's

4:50

say Washington does win out, they'd

4:53

have to beat Philly. Even then

4:55

they don't have the freaking thing,

4:57

what are they, they beat Atlanta,

5:00

and then they beat Dallas, that's

5:02

all very believable. Let's see, eagles

5:05

are obviously going to beat the

5:07

Panthers. Let's say they lose to

5:09

the Steelers, they lose to Washington.

5:12

It would have to lose to...

5:16

either the Giants or Dallas. I mean,

5:18

it's a stupid scenario, but I mean,

5:20

the easiest path would be Philadelphia goes

5:23

on a downward spiral. Washington wins out.

5:25

And then Green Bay is the number

5:27

seven seed. Washington is the number two

5:29

seed. We would go to Washington that

5:32

first round of the playoffs. That would

5:34

be the most direct, but also the

5:36

most unlikely scenario. Hey, what's

5:39

up? Hey, Ron, from O'Clare. I

5:41

just was thinking about this upcoming

5:43

game and getting myself ready for,

5:45

well, what if the Packers do

5:47

win and the narrative that is

5:49

going to be spun around it?

5:52

Well, the Lions had, you know,

5:54

a bunch of in. and

5:56

and so you know,

5:58

it wasn't really

6:00

as impressive and

6:02

all this stuff. impressive

6:05

and all this stuff and

6:07

just kind kind of getting

6:09

ready to roll my eyes my

6:11

of time of time because I

6:13

don't I I don't, anybody

6:15

don't think anybody should

6:17

care. up the how are they

6:19

up the lions the still have

6:21

the quarterback they still have have

6:24

main weapons yeah sure

6:26

they lost Aidan Hudson

6:28

but I mean, you can't

6:31

You can't just rely on

6:33

one player to make your

6:35

team work. We've seen how

6:37

that works with the Aaron Rogers era,

6:40

you know. and it doesn't go

6:42

doesn't go so you, you

6:44

know, if if you counting

6:46

on on that one

6:48

player to basically, you know, know your

6:51

team, your you didn't build

6:53

You didn't build the best roster,

6:55

right? yeah, they've got yeah, they've got some

6:57

injured players, but most of their

6:59

stars are still on the field.

7:01

are Let's be honest. the field, let's

7:04

be is pretty

7:06

intact, intact. Yeah. They should

7:08

really have no excuse no

7:10

they have... unless know. have,

7:12

you know, one to three

7:14

three major game-changing players

7:17

injured, right? And

7:19

yeah, they they have have Aidan

7:22

have Aiden Hutchinson, but They

7:24

still have their their offense As

7:26

far as I know, unless I'm missing something,

7:28

but. I'm just getting ready to

7:30

But I'm my eyes in the case

7:32

that the Packers win my everyone

7:34

starts saying that. the Packers win

7:36

know, the Lions were down. They're

7:38

not down there. you know, lost

7:41

one game this season. tell

7:43

me in what universe lost

7:45

one down Tell

7:47

me in what universe are

7:49

the Lions down? know know. They might

7:51

be trending down, but that's

7:53

more about them and less

7:55

about the luck, you know, you know

7:58

have continued to to get better as

8:00

the season has gone on,

8:02

while the lions and the

8:04

Vikings have sort of trended

8:06

more towards their high points

8:09

towards the middle. So I

8:11

think it's going to be

8:13

a bunch of a bunch

8:15

of BS if that is

8:17

the case, but it won't

8:19

really matter because if the

8:22

Packers win, we'll be, you

8:24

know, celebrating in the streets.

8:27

Here's hoping that Thursday's game is

8:29

awesome. So yeah, a couple things.

8:31

First of all, Packers are hurt

8:33

too. So it is what it

8:35

is. They're not as hurt as

8:37

Detroit. I just did the podcast

8:39

for tomorrow. I guess I didn't

8:41

understand how decimated they are. You

8:44

look at the injury reports, like,

8:46

oh, you're down like four guys,

8:48

three of them are on defense.

8:50

That sucks, but it is what

8:52

it is. No, their IR is

8:54

a mile long and it's the

8:56

amount of defensive ends, defensive tackles

8:58

and linebackers. It's crazy. It is

9:00

insane. The amount of people that

9:02

they're pulling off the street just

9:04

to patch together a defense is

9:07

pretty wild. With that said, a

9:09

couple things. Number one. you are

9:11

still undefeated and have had these

9:13

injuries for a large part of

9:15

the season. So it's not as

9:17

though we had nine people go

9:19

on IR and three guys go

9:21

down just this past week. They

9:23

lost one guy, they lost another

9:25

defensive lineman to, uh, I spent,

9:28

you know, half the podcast talking

9:30

about, well, they got this guy

9:32

and then found out, nope, he

9:34

actually just went on IR after

9:36

Thanksgiving. But you lost one guy.

9:38

since this past week, essentially. I

9:40

think they didn't have their left

9:42

tackle in the week before either,

9:44

so he's not new. Maybe another

9:46

defensive tackle that didn't play. But

9:48

I mean, what is what is

9:51

complaint here that well our team

9:53

sucks but it's because of injury

9:55

okay then why did you come

9:57

into this game thinking you were

9:59

so good if you're gonna talk

10:01

as though you're the better team

10:03

and then you lose you don't

10:05

get to say well because of

10:07

the injuries if that's the case

10:09

I want to hear you coming

10:11

into the game saying I think

10:14

we're gonna lose because of the

10:16

injuries here's the the bigger issue

10:18

these these players are not coming

10:20

back with with with minor exceptions

10:22

A couple of the guys that

10:24

are out are going to come

10:26

back. That doesn't mean anything in

10:28

the grand scope of how decimated

10:30

you are by injuries. So if

10:32

you're saying, yeah, well, that game

10:35

doesn't really count because of all

10:37

the injuries. First of all, 100%

10:39

counts. It's the quality of your

10:41

team regardless of the injuries. But

10:43

it's not like, you know, we

10:45

lost Jordan and he'll be back

10:47

in a couple weeks. This is

10:49

just what your team is now.

10:52

So if you're going to make injury excuses,

10:54

be prepared for the fact that, yeah, you

10:56

have an excuse for why you suck, but

10:58

you suck now, and you're going to lose

11:00

to the bills, and you're going to lose

11:03

probably to the bears next time, and you're

11:05

going to lose to the Vikings, and you're

11:07

going to get the crappied out of you

11:09

in the playoffs, that's the scenario. So understand

11:11

if you make the injury excuse what you're

11:13

actually saying. You're not only saying, yeah, well,

11:15

if we were healthy, we would have beat

11:17

the Packers. Congratulations, round of applause on your

11:19

hypothetical that you have no way of actually

11:21

being able to prove. But what you're also

11:23

saying is, because of the injuries, we're a

11:26

bad team and we can't be expected to

11:28

win. That's what you're saying, as you currently

11:30

hold the number one seed. Do you really

11:32

want to go down that path? Because

11:35

I think you're better off just

11:37

saying, you know what, we're still

11:39

a good team. Because at least

11:41

then you have some hope. But

11:43

if you want to just throw

11:45

that out because you don't want

11:47

to get one over by the

11:49

Packers, fine. Go ahead. Congratulations on

11:51

conceding for the rest of the

11:53

season. Stupid. What's up Ryan? Sir.

11:55

For Madison. Less than 48 hours

11:57

away from kickoff for the Packers

11:59

lions. this is interesting, you

12:01

know, I normally I you know

12:04

i care about don't really care

12:06

about the if they're good. I'm too

12:08

busy hating the Vikings and I get a swatting

12:10

away the Bears fans. But with this

12:12

new resurgence this last couple of

12:14

weeks, couple of weeks, been some people in my

12:16

life very people in my are into the lion, so

12:18

I would really the lions. So I

12:20

just for like just I would

12:22

be so reasons, it would be so great

12:25

to people up by shut some people up

12:27

by beating the lions. I'm not

12:29

sure. don't want want to say this,

12:31

the The pressure is on the

12:33

lines, man. This reminds me of

12:35

a lot of of like the Rogers teams, you

12:37

know, five, five, six years ago.

12:39

kind of, you of, you know, early

12:41

2000s, I guess 13, 14, where we'd have,

12:44

2011, we were 13, 14. the lines

12:46

position. we'd have, a you know, we were

12:48

kind of in the life position. We'd have a pretty

12:50

nice record. We'd have to you off. be challengers,

12:53

you know, would be it was it

12:55

was because all the because all the pressure is on us. us.

12:57

And I think this is the same with the is the know, they

12:59

have everything to lose. you know, they have

13:02

we really, to lose. And not

13:04

sure. I'm not sure, if we beat

13:06

them beat them, it's, not sure sure is

13:08

on, you know what I mean? you know

13:10

what I we lose, I'll be upset, but

13:12

I don't know that it changes the

13:14

outcome so much. changes the are we're gonna

13:16

have to go back to that building going to have

13:18

least once this year to to go to

13:20

Super Bowl, so and win at know i just

13:22

think it this year if on want to

13:25

go to go to the your advantage. Bowl.

13:27

You know, I the the stress out

13:29

the Lions. the lines. playing tight.

13:31

You know, tight, you know, we saw. in

13:34

some seen the games they've pulled out.

13:36

And generally speaking, earlier

13:38

in the season, played, I

13:40

think, better in those those those contests

13:42

than they they have lately So I hope they

13:45

get a hope they get a little

13:47

tight and we get them in a at home we

13:49

get them in a bind it is a

13:51

nice We get the win, but it is a nice

13:53

position for the Packers as much as I'd be upset

13:55

if we didn't win. win. If we we don't

13:57

win, or if we win, I don't know

13:59

that it changes. things hugely for us, I guess

14:01

it could. So let's go out there,

14:04

you know, it's the old house money

14:06

thing, you know, let's go see where

14:08

we're at and hopefully we beat these

14:10

SOBs. All right, enjoy the game, everybody,

14:12

go pack. No, I think that's true.

14:14

I mean, pending a blowout where we

14:16

lose just, you know, in massive fashion,

14:18

like I said before. If we say

14:21

the Lions are the best team and

14:23

the Packers are roughly the third, fourth,

14:25

fifth best team in football, am I

14:27

supposed to cry about that? Listen, you

14:29

don't get a trophy for being the

14:31

best team. You have to win through

14:33

the playoffs, which is a whole different

14:35

ball game. And a lot of times

14:38

the best team doesn't actually end up

14:40

winning the Super Bowl. So that's not

14:42

even really the question. Beyond that again,

14:44

out of ten times, the Lions are

14:46

not going to be the Lions ten

14:48

times. So this doesn't really tell us

14:50

all that much in terms of much

14:52

of anything. If it's a close win

14:55

by the Lions, okay, it's possible the

14:57

Packers could have beat him seven out

14:59

of ten times, this is one of

15:01

the three. We don't know. We have

15:03

no idea. It doesn't tell us very

15:05

much. So, you know,

15:07

if the Packers lose in a close

15:09

game, it's going to suck. I mean,

15:12

from a Packers fan standpoint and all

15:14

the Lions fans chirping and all the

15:16

national media overreacting and everything else, but

15:18

what does it mean? Not a ton.

15:20

But you're right, if the Lions lose,

15:22

everything shifts. Everybody is going to be

15:24

looking at the Packers as the new

15:26

powerhouse. Again, it's going to be an

15:28

overreaction for the exact same reasons, but

15:30

it doesn't matter. You're now not

15:32

invincible. You haven't lost since what, week two? You're an undefeated

15:35

streak, you're beating the crap out everybody. You have a close

15:37

game against the Bears where you almost lose, you're being decimated

15:39

by injuries to the point where everybody's starting to panic, you

15:41

have got a guy with a podcast that is now leaking

15:43

things that the coach is saying, you've got another guy taking

15:45

pictures of your whiteboard and leaking that, then you go on

15:47

and lose to the Green Bay Packers, packers in your own

15:50

house, everything starts to feel like it's falling apart. now

15:52

you got a what go

15:54

to Buffalo or does Buffalo go

15:56

to Detroit? I I don't know

15:58

I think you got to

16:00

go to Buffalo If you lose

16:02

now to Buffalo, you know,

16:04

it's It's a scary spot whereas

16:07

the Packers are kind of

16:09

on the ascent and I don't

16:11

know that that necessarily the

16:13

trajectory changes all that much in

16:15

a loss again unless it's

16:17

a blowout, but I

16:20

you know the Packers can still play good football

16:22

They can still do the things that we want them

16:24

to do and play clean football and just take

16:26

these baby steps Because that's what we're looking for You're

16:29

right about the Lions and that they're

16:31

kind of in that that situation where they've

16:33

achieved everything And the only thing left

16:35

to do is to maintain the dominance and

16:37

if you can't do that then then

16:40

you're just going backwards So,

16:42

you know, again, does this game

16:44

mean much probably not? but

16:47

Psychologically it does and especially so I

16:49

would say for the Detroit Lions, so

16:51

I think you're probably right about that

16:53

Why don't we take our first break?

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many thoughts, but you, it's of the one that so thinking

19:55

about. But there's kind of the one been

19:58

thinking about like about it means. means.

20:00

is a Matlaflor offense? And I think in

20:02

a lot of ways it's just whatever offense

20:04

is out on the field right now. But

20:06

I'm thinking clear back to when he was

20:08

an offensive coordinator for the Titans and when

20:11

the Packers had hired him. And this was

20:13

coming off of like Derek Henry became the

20:15

running back he was being Matlafler's offense. And

20:17

he was using him really heavily and kind

20:19

of limiting what the quarterbacks the quarterbacks had

20:22

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20:24

Green Bay, there's kind of a lot of

20:26

thought about, okay with Rogers who can do

20:28

everything. You're going to be asked to, I

20:30

guess, just do less? And I think the

20:33

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20:35

to do less and it looked great. You

20:37

know, we simplified it and he looked fantastic

20:39

in the system where we didn't ask him

20:41

to do too many things. And I think

20:43

we saw Jordan Love come out in the

20:46

Eagles game and that was off of a

20:48

really good year, you know, really good back

20:50

half of a year with them. And maybe

20:52

we were already starting to ask him too

20:54

much. And then when Malique Willis Willis Willis

20:57

Willis came in, It was like, it almost

20:59

looked more like offensive coordinator to the floor

21:01

and the Titans, that kind of offense where

21:03

we say, okay, we're going to pick those

21:05

points where we want you to pass the

21:07

ball and we're not going to ask you

21:10

to do too much. And I kind of

21:12

wonder if that's what we realize with love

21:14

is that you know what, like he has

21:16

a lot of arm talent, but we're putting

21:18

him in positions where he has to do

21:21

more than what we should be asking him

21:23

to do. And I can't say for certain,

21:25

I haven't looked at all the stats, but

21:27

I mean, it seems to me like we

21:29

are, he's being asked to pass the ball

21:32

way less than he was the first half

21:34

of the season. And he's flourishing as a

21:36

result. And we're relying on a running game,

21:38

and luckily a running game is just playing

21:40

fantastic. But I don't know, just your thoughts

21:42

on all that. Well,

21:45

that is kind of the feel

21:47

of things. I kind of mentioned

21:49

that that's essentially how the Detroit

21:51

Lions operate right now. They're a

21:54

scary run blocking offensive line that

21:56

with two really talented running backs

21:58

that are paving the way. you

22:00

just have a mistake-free quarterback that's

22:02

distributing the ball intelligently and effectively

22:04

and accurately. And it's a winning

22:06

formula. And I think the Packers

22:08

can follow a similar formula. And

22:10

I think, you know, Jordan has

22:12

that capability to be that next

22:14

level quarterback that maybe golf doesn't

22:16

exactly have. But again, that's

22:18

secondary. That's very cool and it's what

22:20

can really elevate you and make you

22:23

a superpower football team and a superstar

22:25

quarterback and all that stuff. But right

22:27

now, yeah, let's just focus on being

22:29

the lion. Let's just focus on winning

22:31

up front, running the offense through the

22:34

run game for now, and then using

22:36

what we have, which is a talented

22:38

quarterback and talented tight end and talented

22:40

wide receivers. to be able to just

22:42

execute at will. I mean if you

22:45

can run the ball at will and

22:47

then you've got all this talent between

22:49

quarterback you know and running back and

22:51

wide receiver and all these guys I

22:53

can catch the ball there's nothing that

22:56

can stop your offense but yeah I

22:58

think that that's what we need to

23:00

do is to settle into that and

23:02

then see if we can build on

23:04

it and I think that's what we

23:07

saw a little bit in Miami. was

23:09

not only do we do that and

23:11

we executed it well but you started

23:13

to see Jordan get a little bit

23:15

more special as opposed to just efficient

23:18

it was a couple throws that were

23:20

like oh okay all right that's Jordan

23:22

I kind of remember right there but

23:24

yeah I think in this game I'm

23:26

much more concerned with run the ball

23:29

against this depleted front do it a

23:31

lot and then you

23:33

know pick your spots and just start

23:35

picking them apart through the air and

23:38

you know you kind of get that

23:40

one two combination it's just they they

23:42

cannot block it the blows keep coming

23:44

and they don't know where it's coming

23:47

from it's like you got six arms

23:49

man but just be smart be efficient

23:51

and you should be able to move

23:53

the ball without much much issue and

23:56

there's going to be tougher opponents no

23:58

doubt about it but I agree with

24:00

that general philosophy as we need to

24:03

be able to establish the run. We

24:05

gotta be at the physical football team.

24:07

And then you get the tight ends,

24:09

you get the two tight ends sets,

24:12

and you get the tight ends that

24:14

can catch Tucker Craft, who's a dual

24:16

threat in that way, and the wide

24:18

receivers that can block. And it's such

24:21

a cool thing, and they can do

24:23

some cool stuff, and they can really

24:25

be a good offense. And I think

24:27

they have been a good offense, but

24:30

they have not hardly scratched the surface

24:32

of what they can be. All right,

24:34

Ryan, it's Jersey Mike, so we're starting

24:36

to get to playoff time here. I

24:39

mean, it's December, we got like, what,

24:41

two months left? God, it's almost already

24:43

over. Sorry, sorry, sorry, the draft is

24:45

already almost here. I mean, the Super

24:48

Bowl, I mean, shit, do we even

24:50

make playoffs? Sorry, no, no, no, no.

24:52

This is what I want to talk

24:54

about. The key to winning on Thursday.

24:58

Now some people might say it's

25:00

going to be Jordan love getting

25:02

consistency. Some people might say it's

25:04

Josh Jacobs running the ball effectively

25:06

on the ground. Some people might

25:09

say it's the turnover differential and

25:11

the defense getting sacks and taking

25:13

the ball away. I'm going to

25:15

say it's a mixture of all

25:18

of it. We're going to lose.

25:20

But realistically, this this acronym I'm

25:22

going to make up right now.

25:24

C. C. All right? You want

25:26

to know where I'm going? You

25:29

have no idea. Anyway, it's sustained

25:31

chaos and carnage. I want to

25:33

see sustained chaos and carnage. All

25:35

right? I don't want the defense,

25:37

the, the, the, the, the, the,

25:40

the, four lines, sorry, different, these

25:42

four lines to be able to,

25:44

to, to, to even catch their

25:46

breath. I want to suck or

25:48

punch them right in the gut.

25:51

And then I'm thinking they're going

25:53

to put their hands up already

25:55

for the next and then we

25:57

kick him in the balls and

26:00

then when they think we're gonna

26:02

do something different we're gonna stab

26:04

him in the butt all right

26:06

and then when we're done stabbing

26:08

him in the butt we're gonna

26:11

poke their eyes out all right

26:13

I don't want them to know

26:15

what our next movie and what

26:17

I want what I want them

26:19

to do is to react to

26:22

what they think our next movie

26:24

and then hit him to the

26:26

ground you know what Hey,

26:29

hey, I'm gonna say this.

26:31

You look at me or

26:33

whatever way, I don't give

26:35

a crap right now. I

26:37

wanna see some people hurt

26:39

on that field. You're gonna

26:41

snap nobody's legs or crazy

26:43

hip-stop tackle so that actually

26:45

becomes like a real rule.

26:47

Like, let's keep it legitimate.

26:49

But like I want to

26:51

see people hurting bad. I

26:53

want to see just right

26:55

through the end of that

26:57

whistle, Quay, just laying out

26:59

Jamir Giffes and watching his

27:01

breath leave his body. That's

27:03

what we need. We need

27:05

somebody to go out there.

27:07

We need somebody to go

27:09

out there, shut the tone,

27:11

smack him in the mouth,

27:13

and never let him pour.

27:15

Both ends and defense. and

27:17

then never let up for

27:19

four freaking quarters. Don't let

27:21

up. Remember what these lions

27:23

have done to you. Remember

27:25

what this lions team has

27:27

done to every other team

27:29

in the league. Do not

27:31

for five. Part two, here

27:33

we go. I don't like

27:35

getting cut off. Anyway, there's

27:37

a mic again. I want

27:40

them so miserable, so upset,

27:42

so distraught. Because we went

27:44

out there with all the fury and

27:46

all the fire, the ways that they've

27:48

beaten up on teams. We watched what

27:50

they can do. We could easily become

27:52

the victims here. We could easily not

27:54

remember that the lions, it doesn't matter

27:56

who's playing. It doesn't matter who's starting.

27:58

led by a coach

28:00

quite quite frankly in

28:02

my opinion is dirty AF

28:05

and I would And I would

28:07

love to see somebody just, just

28:09

him him. you know the ball gets

28:11

you know, the run you know,

28:13

run out of bounds he he

28:15

happens to be in the in

28:17

you know, you know if Rashan you know,

28:20

know ushers Derek uh, Dan Campbell's lap I

28:22

have no problem with it, you

28:24

know? Jire and Kishan. Talk all talk all the

28:26

I mean, Talk it all, baby. I

28:28

mean, real. I not playing, let's be

28:30

real. I don't know who's playing.

28:32

Carrington Ballantyne, whoever it is, you

28:34

I want you to be so

28:36

inside their in the episode of in an

28:39

episode of Rick and Morty and they

28:41

don't know if they're in the hole or

28:43

not if if the lightsabers are going vertical.

28:46

I want them them to not

28:48

know a your robot. I want

28:50

them to be so afraid to

28:52

to think that they up give

28:54

up. So that's my to

28:56

success. success. Sustain, chaos,

28:58

and carnage. Go back,

29:01

go baby. Let's beat them

29:03

down on Thursday. See you

29:05

there. Well,

29:07

I think I'm allowed to agree with everything you

29:09

said, but you said, is funny how we we somewhat similar

29:11

analogies, and I think you're right, I you just

29:13

got to punch them over and over again. I... punch

29:15

them over was just over again. I was just

29:17

on a lion's. Well, it Packers slash but. Green

29:19

Bay Packers podcast, but. Look,

29:21

I mean, these are two teams that

29:23

are priding themselves on being the more

29:25

physical team, Detroit physical team, They take a

29:27

lot of pride in it. a The of have in it. The

29:30

Packers have shown physicality and I think both

29:32

teams are going to try to establish, going to

29:34

try are. the more physical team and

29:36

I think the Packers need to win that battle. the Packers

29:38

need think the that battle. I think the

29:40

Packers, I mentioned on podcast the biggest

29:42

mismatch in this game in this

29:45

game of the of the, you know, defense,

29:47

whatever. whatever, is Packers

29:49

offense, lines, defense. It just

29:51

is. I mean they've got a couple good

29:53

a but safeties, but they're

29:55

that they're struggling. it's not And it's not

29:57

just the injuries, mean, it's just. it's just, there's

30:00

a of talent there. And especially

30:02

when it comes to run defense,

30:04

like Zadarius is a good pass

30:06

rush for terrible run defender. Al

30:08

Caden Muhammad, who I believe is

30:11

gonna be their number two guy.

30:13

Pass rush numbers are fine. Run

30:15

defense, not great. Josh Paskell was

30:17

their guy who's more of a

30:19

run defender, kind of set in

30:22

the edge. He's out. Linebackers. They

30:24

got their main guy, but they've

30:26

lost, you know, Jaylin Reeves Mabin.

30:28

They lost Anzaloni. So you have

30:30

to assert yourself in this game.

30:33

You have to just embarrass them

30:35

on the ground. I mean, we

30:37

have faced tougher run defenses than

30:39

this. you just you absolutely

30:42

have to make an example of

30:44

this team you know and again

30:46

this is for pride this is

30:48

this is to show who is

30:50

the king of the north and

30:52

therefore maybe the best team in

30:54

the NFC maybe in the the

30:57

entire NFL I mean this obviously

30:59

can't be a Super Bowl bout

31:01

but this is clearly you know

31:03

an NFC championship level bout. And

31:05

if you can go in and

31:07

embarrass this team, even if the

31:09

score isn't necessarily a blowout, if

31:11

you can go in and just

31:14

assert yourself, especially your offense against

31:16

their defense, and just make it

31:18

look like this is not very

31:20

hard, that's going to do a

31:22

lot. It's going to do a

31:24

lot for just everybody's understanding of

31:26

what the Packers really are. Anyways,

31:28

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34:51

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34:53

know in the future like what could

34:56

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34:58

you know what I thought about it

35:00

running back they look look don't get

35:03

it wrong Josh Jacobs is freaking amazing

35:05

but I tried to him like you

35:07

know we thought we're gonna have Marshall

35:10

avoid I thought he was gonna be

35:12

back by now you know I thought

35:14

but it looked like This season, we're

35:16

going to be without him, honestly, and

35:19

it's probably better off than we don't

35:21

try to play him, you know, it's

35:23

too late by now. We wanted to

35:26

have him available, all this crap going

35:28

on, you know, you can't, you can't

35:30

just, you can't just shove a guy

35:33

in late in the season and let,

35:35

you know, we trust you as a

35:37

rookie, you're going to come in and

35:40

be able to, man, I don't want

35:42

to put the ball in his hands.

35:44

And I'm appreciative of that. But I

35:46

was really again hoping for Marshall and

35:49

Lloyd to take a step because we

35:51

need somebody because remember for all of

35:53

like what? Seven minutes? We thought we

35:56

had Josh Jacobs and Aaron Jones and

35:58

for like all the five. we

36:01

thought we had easily no question if

36:03

the best running back in the room

36:05

where Josh Jacobs Aaron Jones and A.J.

36:07

Billin I mean A.J. I don't know

36:09

what the heck's going on with him

36:11

I got his jersey in my closet

36:13

I hope to God that that something

36:15

miraculous happens if this guy comes you

36:17

know like Marshall Lynch beef mode whatever

36:20

but anyway the reason I'm calling is

36:22

or Marian Hampton, uh, tall heels. We

36:24

gotta, we gotta go look at that

36:26

guy. We gotta pick him up. That's

36:28

my guy right now. I'm just standing

36:30

on it. That's my running back. I

36:32

like the way he runs for a

36:34

boy. He's in our ability to be

36:36

dressed in. So, yeah, anyway, go back,

36:39

go. Well I can't fault

36:41

you for having a guy in the

36:43

draft for sure and I haven't looked

36:45

at Amari and Hampton yet but we're

36:48

definitely not of the same mind right

36:50

now I mean unless Amari and Hampton

36:52

can be like some undrafted free agent

36:54

pickup or something he certainly is a

36:57

decent size I guess,

36:59

what is he, 6-1-2-20, something like

37:01

that? Maybe a little tall, but

37:03

you know, Gouda-Kuns, that 2-20, man,

37:05

he's a fan. If he was,

37:07

if he was like 5-11-220, be

37:09

even better. No, but I mean,

37:11

we have a really solid running

37:13

back group and I do hope

37:15

that Marcion Lloyd can be sort

37:17

of a Josh Jacobs-esque type player.

37:19

You know, that's that is the

37:21

hope. He's got a similar build,

37:24

similar run style with the low

37:26

center gravity being able to bring

37:28

some power, but also having some

37:30

shiftiness. Maybe not as big, but

37:32

59-2-10 is still a pretty big

37:34

dude, you know. 47 Miss Tackles

37:36

Force last year in college. Don't

37:38

get me going on this draft

37:40

stuff yet, all right? I know

37:42

that's, I know, I get it,

37:44

but it's not time. It's not

37:46

time until I get this freaking

37:48

website done. And then we can

37:50

talk the draft all you want.

37:52

You know, Ryan, it's your uncle.

37:54

What's up? Hey, I just wanted

37:56

to put in my two cents.

37:58

on the term game. I

38:01

Okay. I guess I think when

38:03

I think someone refers

38:05

to a quarterback as a game

38:07

manager. what comes to comes

38:09

to mind for me is

38:11

someone who does exactly what they're

38:14

told to do. told to do. They're

38:16

given to play they

38:18

run they run the play they

38:20

don't get outside of

38:22

the box. So,

38:25

and I guess I'm not not sure, you're

38:27

thinking know you're thinking your is

38:29

a is a little different or

38:31

your, what you call it, requirements

38:34

or whatever, for whatever to be

38:36

to be called game is a

38:38

little different a that That's just

38:40

what I think of it than.

38:42

game just what not someone who uses

38:44

manager is not just do what they're

38:46

told their brains. give it do play

38:48

they run the play They're Maybe

38:50

there's some run the play. Maybe there's some... flexibility

38:53

there but not much, know.

38:55

much you know they're not in the they're not out

38:57

there making there making these decisions

38:59

they can they can complete throws is

39:02

is irrelevant. it's they're only only they

39:04

can handle can handle and that's

39:06

what they handle. and And

39:08

if they get outside of

39:10

that box, box they're not a

39:12

game manager anymore. anymore

39:14

they're running show, so anyway that's

39:17

just what comes to mind

39:19

for me, mind for me so

39:21

this just as from RICO Rico out,

39:23

go back, go, going to lay the smackdown

39:25

on Thursday night football. It's to It's

39:27

gonna be awesome. Yeah, I

39:29

mean, it's a pretty broad term for sure.

39:31

I mean, it certainly could I

39:33

mean, it's a pretty - even for

39:35

sure. I think of I mean, it

39:37

certainly could range anywhere. mean, generally, even

39:39

for myself, so think of like a guy

39:41

that basically sucks, but you know. that's going to

39:43

so much that they're a huge liability

39:45

and gonna throw three to lose. you're gonna

39:47

lose, but other than that, they're completely useless.

39:50

useless. Um again, I know it

39:52

I know it carries massively

39:54

negative connotations, but... but I

39:56

I talked to the robot

39:58

to the robot who pulled it me. Wikipedia

40:00

here says a game manager refers to

40:03

a quarterback who prioritizes minimizing mistakes such

40:05

as interceptions and fumbles over making high-risk

40:07

high-reward plays so that's kind of the

40:09

way I was using it a little

40:12

bit not not even necessarily but maybe

40:14

what we got to do is come

40:16

up with a couple different terms, you

40:19

know, because you've got what you laid

40:21

out, which is probably the far end

40:23

of that spectrum, which is you have

40:26

no ability to do anything. Like, you're

40:28

not even making changes at the line.

40:30

You're not doing it. It's, it's, everything

40:32

is spelled out to you and you

40:35

do just that. Then you got kind

40:37

of the, I guess, other end of

40:39

the spectrum, which is, you know, I

40:42

guess a more literal sense of you're

40:44

literally managing the game. You're not doing

40:46

anything really outside of that. You're not

40:48

putting the team on your back. You're

40:51

not doing all this heroic stuff. You're

40:53

not doing anything crazy. But you are

40:55

managing which would include, you know, making

40:58

checks, making adjustments. You are like the

41:00

coach on the field. You're making all

41:02

the right calls and all the right

41:05

decisions at the right decisions at the

41:07

right time. but nothing more there are

41:09

no pet homesian things there's no no

41:11

look passes there's no you know deep

41:14

shots into double coverage you know right

41:16

between two defenders or any of that

41:18

kind of stuff it's just you're just

41:21

doing the job you know you're Joe

41:23

Flacko coming in and just you know

41:25

doing what you're supposed to do you

41:27

know how to do this you've been

41:30

doing this forever you're freaking PhD in

41:32

quarterbacking but i mean that's why i

41:34

over explained it every time because i

41:37

just don't know a better way to

41:39

phrase it I guess and I'm just

41:41

making sure everyone knows I'm not using

41:44

the negative connotation. Hey Pat Daddy, it's

41:46

Garrett from Illinois. It's hump day and

41:48

we are drawing closer and closer to

41:50

Thursday nights match up and I just

41:53

can't get this feeling out of my

41:55

head that I think this game means

41:57

more to Green Bay than it does.

42:00

I think there's a bitter

42:02

taste in our mouth from

42:05

losing it home in a

42:07

game that they really beat

42:09

themselves more than Detroit beat

42:11

them. They've got momentum on

42:13

their side, they've got two

42:16

very good quality wins the

42:18

last two weeks, and I

42:20

think they're just hitting their

42:22

stride and they're healthier. And

42:24

I just think those are

42:27

all things that will just

42:29

push. I think push the

42:31

odds in their favor just

42:33

enough that they win a

42:35

close game. And being that

42:38

it's indoors, I feel like

42:40

it just, it, they can't

42:42

not but help Jordan with

42:44

the passing game. It just

42:46

seems like his default, it

42:49

just not been quite on

42:51

this year. He's dismissed guys

42:53

a few times and of

42:55

course there's been some drops,

42:57

but It's just not

43:00

been quite as accurate on a

43:02

consistent basis like we would like

43:04

to see. So all in all,

43:07

I think, I think this is

43:09

a game that they do, they

43:11

do win. And I can't help

43:14

but not be confident in this

43:16

game. So guys that haven't been

43:19

playing very good and are starting

43:21

to play good. So it would

43:23

be fannesque, you know, guys that

43:26

have been. pretty consistently at the

43:28

bottom when it comes to PFS

43:31

scores are doing better. So I

43:33

just, I don't feel like you

43:35

can argue with all of those

43:38

points that, you know, Green Bay

43:40

should not be the team that

43:43

is favored in this game. So

43:45

we shall see they still got

43:47

a play ball, still got a

43:50

round the pig skin, so throwing

43:52

some prayers up. and

43:55

hoping for the best. And let's

43:57

just bring on Thursday night football.

44:01

Kind of an opposite perspective on who

44:03

this game is more important for, but

44:05

I think the biggest needle mover is

44:08

if the Packers win. If they don't,

44:10

everything kind of just stays the way.

44:12

I don't think the Packers move all

44:14

that much in their rankings. I don't

44:16

think the Lions do either. But it's

44:18

the biggest thing for both teams is

44:20

a Packers win. The Lions need to

44:22

prevent it and the Packers need to

44:24

make it happen. But yeah, everything is

44:26

trending in the right direction. The Packers

44:28

are, I don't want to say getting

44:30

healthier because that's not necessarily true, but

44:32

guys are playing better. Jordan's playing better.

44:34

Defensive pieces are playing better. Lions are,

44:36

they're holding it together, but they are,

44:38

you just feel like they're on the

44:40

verge of kind of cracking a little

44:43

bit. at the same time that their

44:45

team is falling apart as far as

44:47

injuries again you've got all the the

44:49

scandalous things that are going on around

44:51

and now they've got a a dirty

44:53

team label on top of the the

44:55

leaks and all the different stuff that's

44:57

going on and then you get a

44:59

near loss to the Chicago Bears basically

45:01

you should have when I shouldn't say

45:03

you should have lost but they would

45:05

have tied the game I guess if

45:07

they hit that feel goal but if

45:09

the Bears didn't just shoot themselves in

45:11

the face about seven plays in a

45:13

row that would have happened. Hey

45:16

Ryan, I remember Virginia, you keep talking about

45:18

how we're either getting the 5 or the

45:20

6th seed and then you talk about our

45:22

1% chance of getting the 1 seed and

45:24

I had called and talked about even, you

45:26

know, we beat the lions, we have a

45:29

pretty, I think we have a pretty decent

45:31

shot to still have a shot at winning

45:33

the division, I don't see us getting the

45:35

1 seed in any scenario, but... I also

45:37

don't see, like the lines of us and

45:39

they have the bills, like if we win

45:41

and then they lose the bills, we have

45:43

a very clear path to getting that one

45:45

seat. Now here I'm doing it. Not to

45:48

get in the one seat, but the way

45:50

in the division. So what is a, I

45:52

know I can look it up, but just

45:54

for show content and whatnot, what is our

45:56

odds? the division because if we win the

45:58

division in a two seat or whatever that's

46:00

still a way that is a difference compared

46:02

to five or six you know because they're

46:04

obviously we're getting home game so at least

46:07

one home game or two years at least

46:09

two home games really so I think that

46:11

is a big deal so anyway so anyway

46:13

that is a big deal so anyway that

46:15

was it I hope we stomp these lines

46:17

tomorrow night hopefully this call makes it in

46:19

go back go Yeah, and I have been

46:21

underselling the divisional thing. I mean, as far

46:23

as, you know, beating the Vikings or beating

46:26

the Lions, and really that's all there is

46:28

to play for. I shouldn't necessarily say it

46:30

that way, but, you know, the one seat

46:32

is so far out of reach. That's not

46:34

even necessarily true, but it's tough to get

46:36

that. and then being out of the playoff

46:38

so yeah i mean at this point it's

46:40

it's pride in the division so as of

46:42

right now there is a five percent chance

46:45

of winning the division that goes up to

46:47

fourteen percent if uh... excuse the crying if

46:49

uh... we beat the lions now next week

46:51

prime scenario bills win packers win we jump

46:53

up to only twenty seven percent so it's

46:55

still a long road at that point If

46:57

we assume the Packers win out, from this

46:59

point on, we have a 65% chance, but

47:02

some stuff's got to happen here. Essentially, we

47:04

need the Lions to lose one more game.

47:06

So, it means very similar to the one

47:08

C, to be honest. The Packers win out.

47:10

Lions obviously lose this week and lose to

47:12

the bills. They have to lose one more.

47:14

If they lose to the bears, which I

47:16

don't think they will, they might, if they

47:18

lose to the 49ers, which is very unlikely,

47:21

the more likely one would be the Vikings.

47:23

If that were to happen, the Green Bay

47:25

Packers would have a 100% chance of winning

47:27

the division. And for those of you wondering,

47:29

well, what about the Vikings? As I said,

47:31

if the Packers went out, Vikings are already

47:33

done. to to beat the Vikings again

47:35

in in order to

47:37

win out, and if

47:40

we do, even if the Vikings

47:42

if the Vikings win

47:44

all the rest of

47:46

their games that Packer game,

47:48

Packers will be ahead

47:50

of them, which is

47:52

part of the reason

47:54

why I've been saying

47:56

the Vikings are somewhat

47:59

irrelevant. are They're not really.

48:01

mean, you still have

48:03

to beat them. They're

48:05

relevant in that regard,

48:07

but it is entirely

48:09

in the Packers' hands.

48:11

it is Lions are very

48:13

different. They would have

48:15

to lose two additional

48:18

games outside of Green

48:20

Bay. They're likely to

48:22

win of or lose

48:24

at least likely to win it or

48:26

lose at least one. but

48:28

you you know, outside of that,

48:31

we would have to see see if all

48:33

all those things did happen. still only

48:35

still only have a 39 of

48:37

chance of winning the number getting the

48:39

number one seed. have We would have

48:41

to get some help. do think I

48:44

do think it's, a good a good

48:46

chance the commanders could win. could win

48:48

Outside of that though, of that, would probably beat the

48:50

Giants, beat the probably beat the Giants,

48:52

beat the Cowboys. beat We would need,

48:54

it would have to be the going to beat

48:57

the Panthers. It would have to

48:59

be the Steelers, so, again,

49:01

both teams really, you'd have to have

49:03

lose multiple games. I think we need the

49:05

Eagles to lose two games, and the

49:07

Lions to lose two games of of the the

49:09

to the Packers. get you get the Lions

49:11

to do it, you win the division.

49:13

If you get both teams to do it,

49:15

the Packers could get the number one

49:17

seed, and this all assumes the Packers win

49:20

out. one seed. lot of this is the reach,

49:22

but, you know, we'll start one game

49:24

at a time. the Packers win, But we'll is

49:26

a strong start in that direction. win, that is

49:28

But anyways, that's it for the calls.

49:30

I appreciate you guys. anyways, that's I will talk

49:32

to you. I don't know if I'm

49:34

going to, I probably won't do a pack

49:36

night after dark tomorrow night because it's

49:38

already going to be so late, so guys.

49:40

be a couple days, but I will talk

49:42

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