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wondering if you could do me a
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area, I was trying to figure out
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how is it I can get the
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Packers to play the commanders, the commanders,
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because that's like one of the teams
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that have. I feel like we could
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beat the crap out of them. And
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I was more likely to not
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going to division, they could probably
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win the division, the commanders. I'm
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trying to figure out how is
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it they could host us. Maybe
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in a while call or the
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next one. So you could break
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that scenario down. I appreciate it
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because I'm hoping that happens so
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and maybe I'd get up with
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our other packing at people at
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the game. So it's a year
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or Maryland. So anyway. Go back,
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can I appreciate it. Let me
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look up, so I haven't used
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it yet, but the ESPN usually
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has, I think it's a playoff
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machine. Sure enough, they got it
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right here. So you want Washington
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to host us, we'd have to
3:17
lose some games, I'm pretty sure.
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But right now, because right now
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they're the seventh seed, they're not
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hosting Jack squad. So I
3:25
hate to run through it, but we're
3:27
going to have to do some losses
3:29
here. So Green Bay would lose to
3:31
Detroit. Washington play. Do they still have
3:33
buy weeks going on? I don't see
3:35
Washington anywhere. Skip to next week. Washington
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beats New Orleans. That would put them
3:39
at 9 and 5 us at 9
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and 4. Uh, we,
3:44
do we lose to, oh freaking,
3:46
okay, we lose to, uh, Seattle.
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So it would make us the
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number seven seed, and so in
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that, all you have to do
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is be below them, and then
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anything is possible, even from this
4:00
standpoint, um, let's see. would face
4:03
the number two seed Washington, so
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we would have to beat Washington,
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or excuse me, Philadelphia, Washington would
4:10
have to beat Seattle. It doesn't
4:12
really matter there. As the seventh
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seed, we would obviously go to
4:17
Detroit. So Washington would play, whoever
4:19
the winner of Minnesota Atlanta is.
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And so basically, it would have
4:24
to be the NFC championship game
4:26
in that scenario, basically, with Washington
4:29
being ahead of us. Not the
4:31
most likely scenario, but for two
4:34
low-seated teams to be playing each
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other, they just got to beat
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everybody else, because all the better
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teams end up playing the low-seeded
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teams. And then, you know, the
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only other scenario would be Washington
4:48
gets ahead of Philadelphia. So let's
4:50
say Washington does win out, they'd
4:53
have to beat Philly. Even then
4:55
they don't have the freaking thing,
4:57
what are they, they beat Atlanta,
5:00
and then they beat Dallas, that's
5:02
all very believable. Let's see, eagles
5:05
are obviously going to beat the
5:07
Panthers. Let's say they lose to
5:09
the Steelers, they lose to Washington.
5:12
It would have to lose to...
5:16
either the Giants or Dallas. I mean,
5:18
it's a stupid scenario, but I mean,
5:20
the easiest path would be Philadelphia goes
5:23
on a downward spiral. Washington wins out.
5:25
And then Green Bay is the number
5:27
seven seed. Washington is the number two
5:29
seed. We would go to Washington that
5:32
first round of the playoffs. That would
5:34
be the most direct, but also the
5:36
most unlikely scenario. Hey, what's
5:39
up? Hey, Ron, from O'Clare. I
5:41
just was thinking about this upcoming
5:43
game and getting myself ready for,
5:45
well, what if the Packers do
5:47
win and the narrative that is
5:49
going to be spun around it?
5:52
Well, the Lions had, you know,
5:54
a bunch of in. and
5:56
and so you know,
5:58
it wasn't really
6:00
as impressive and
6:02
all this stuff. impressive
6:05
and all this stuff and
6:07
just kind kind of getting
6:09
ready to roll my eyes my
6:11
of time of time because I
6:13
don't I I don't, anybody
6:15
don't think anybody should
6:17
care. up the how are they
6:19
up the lions the still have
6:21
the quarterback they still have have
6:24
main weapons yeah sure
6:26
they lost Aidan Hudson
6:28
but I mean, you can't
6:31
You can't just rely on
6:33
one player to make your
6:35
team work. We've seen how
6:37
that works with the Aaron Rogers era,
6:40
you know. and it doesn't go
6:42
doesn't go so you, you
6:44
know, if if you counting
6:46
on on that one
6:48
player to basically, you know, know your
6:51
team, your you didn't build
6:53
You didn't build the best roster,
6:55
right? yeah, they've got yeah, they've got some
6:57
injured players, but most of their
6:59
stars are still on the field.
7:01
are Let's be honest. the field, let's
7:04
be is pretty
7:06
intact, intact. Yeah. They should
7:08
really have no excuse no
7:10
they have... unless know. have,
7:12
you know, one to three
7:14
three major game-changing players
7:17
injured, right? And
7:19
yeah, they they have have Aidan
7:22
have Aiden Hutchinson, but They
7:24
still have their their offense As
7:26
far as I know, unless I'm missing something,
7:28
but. I'm just getting ready to
7:30
But I'm my eyes in the case
7:32
that the Packers win my everyone
7:34
starts saying that. the Packers win
7:36
know, the Lions were down. They're
7:38
not down there. you know, lost
7:41
one game this season. tell
7:43
me in what universe lost
7:45
one down Tell
7:47
me in what universe are
7:49
the Lions down? know know. They might
7:51
be trending down, but that's
7:53
more about them and less
7:55
about the luck, you know, you know
7:58
have continued to to get better as
8:00
the season has gone on,
8:02
while the lions and the
8:04
Vikings have sort of trended
8:06
more towards their high points
8:09
towards the middle. So I
8:11
think it's going to be
8:13
a bunch of a bunch
8:15
of BS if that is
8:17
the case, but it won't
8:19
really matter because if the
8:22
Packers win, we'll be, you
8:24
know, celebrating in the streets.
8:27
Here's hoping that Thursday's game is
8:29
awesome. So yeah, a couple things.
8:31
First of all, Packers are hurt
8:33
too. So it is what it
8:35
is. They're not as hurt as
8:37
Detroit. I just did the podcast
8:39
for tomorrow. I guess I didn't
8:41
understand how decimated they are. You
8:44
look at the injury reports, like,
8:46
oh, you're down like four guys,
8:48
three of them are on defense.
8:50
That sucks, but it is what
8:52
it is. No, their IR is
8:54
a mile long and it's the
8:56
amount of defensive ends, defensive tackles
8:58
and linebackers. It's crazy. It is
9:00
insane. The amount of people that
9:02
they're pulling off the street just
9:04
to patch together a defense is
9:07
pretty wild. With that said, a
9:09
couple things. Number one. you are
9:11
still undefeated and have had these
9:13
injuries for a large part of
9:15
the season. So it's not as
9:17
though we had nine people go
9:19
on IR and three guys go
9:21
down just this past week. They
9:23
lost one guy, they lost another
9:25
defensive lineman to, uh, I spent,
9:28
you know, half the podcast talking
9:30
about, well, they got this guy
9:32
and then found out, nope, he
9:34
actually just went on IR after
9:36
Thanksgiving. But you lost one guy.
9:38
since this past week, essentially. I
9:40
think they didn't have their left
9:42
tackle in the week before either,
9:44
so he's not new. Maybe another
9:46
defensive tackle that didn't play. But
9:48
I mean, what is what is
9:51
complaint here that well our team
9:53
sucks but it's because of injury
9:55
okay then why did you come
9:57
into this game thinking you were
9:59
so good if you're gonna talk
10:01
as though you're the better team
10:03
and then you lose you don't
10:05
get to say well because of
10:07
the injuries if that's the case
10:09
I want to hear you coming
10:11
into the game saying I think
10:14
we're gonna lose because of the
10:16
injuries here's the the bigger issue
10:18
these these players are not coming
10:20
back with with with minor exceptions
10:22
A couple of the guys that
10:24
are out are going to come
10:26
back. That doesn't mean anything in
10:28
the grand scope of how decimated
10:30
you are by injuries. So if
10:32
you're saying, yeah, well, that game
10:35
doesn't really count because of all
10:37
the injuries. First of all, 100%
10:39
counts. It's the quality of your
10:41
team regardless of the injuries. But
10:43
it's not like, you know, we
10:45
lost Jordan and he'll be back
10:47
in a couple weeks. This is
10:49
just what your team is now.
10:52
So if you're going to make injury excuses,
10:54
be prepared for the fact that, yeah, you
10:56
have an excuse for why you suck, but
10:58
you suck now, and you're going to lose
11:00
to the bills, and you're going to lose
11:03
probably to the bears next time, and you're
11:05
going to lose to the Vikings, and you're
11:07
going to get the crappied out of you
11:09
in the playoffs, that's the scenario. So understand
11:11
if you make the injury excuse what you're
11:13
actually saying. You're not only saying, yeah, well,
11:15
if we were healthy, we would have beat
11:17
the Packers. Congratulations, round of applause on your
11:19
hypothetical that you have no way of actually
11:21
being able to prove. But what you're also
11:23
saying is, because of the injuries, we're a
11:26
bad team and we can't be expected to
11:28
win. That's what you're saying, as you currently
11:30
hold the number one seed. Do you really
11:32
want to go down that path? Because
11:35
I think you're better off just
11:37
saying, you know what, we're still
11:39
a good team. Because at least
11:41
then you have some hope. But
11:43
if you want to just throw
11:45
that out because you don't want
11:47
to get one over by the
11:49
Packers, fine. Go ahead. Congratulations on
11:51
conceding for the rest of the
11:53
season. Stupid. What's up Ryan? Sir.
11:55
For Madison. Less than 48 hours
11:57
away from kickoff for the Packers
11:59
lions. this is interesting, you
12:01
know, I normally I you know
12:04
i care about don't really care
12:06
about the if they're good. I'm too
12:08
busy hating the Vikings and I get a swatting
12:10
away the Bears fans. But with this
12:12
new resurgence this last couple of
12:14
weeks, couple of weeks, been some people in my
12:16
life very people in my are into the lion, so
12:18
I would really the lions. So I
12:20
just for like just I would
12:22
be so reasons, it would be so great
12:25
to people up by shut some people up
12:27
by beating the lions. I'm not
12:29
sure. don't want want to say this,
12:31
the The pressure is on the
12:33
lines, man. This reminds me of
12:35
a lot of of like the Rogers teams, you
12:37
know, five, five, six years ago.
12:39
kind of, you of, you know, early
12:41
2000s, I guess 13, 14, where we'd have,
12:44
2011, we were 13, 14. the lines
12:46
position. we'd have, a you know, we were
12:48
kind of in the life position. We'd have a pretty
12:50
nice record. We'd have to you off. be challengers,
12:53
you know, would be it was it
12:55
was because all the because all the pressure is on us. us.
12:57
And I think this is the same with the is the know, they
12:59
have everything to lose. you know, they have
13:02
we really, to lose. And not
13:04
sure. I'm not sure, if we beat
13:06
them beat them, it's, not sure sure is
13:08
on, you know what I mean? you know
13:10
what I we lose, I'll be upset, but
13:12
I don't know that it changes the
13:14
outcome so much. changes the are we're gonna
13:16
have to go back to that building going to have
13:18
least once this year to to go to
13:20
Super Bowl, so and win at know i just
13:22
think it this year if on want to
13:25
go to go to the your advantage. Bowl.
13:27
You know, I the the stress out
13:29
the Lions. the lines. playing tight.
13:31
You know, tight, you know, we saw. in
13:34
some seen the games they've pulled out.
13:36
And generally speaking, earlier
13:38
in the season, played, I
13:40
think, better in those those those contests
13:42
than they they have lately So I hope they
13:45
get a hope they get a little
13:47
tight and we get them in a at home we
13:49
get them in a bind it is a
13:51
nice We get the win, but it is a nice
13:53
position for the Packers as much as I'd be upset
13:55
if we didn't win. win. If we we don't
13:57
win, or if we win, I don't know
13:59
that it changes. things hugely for us, I guess
14:01
it could. So let's go out there,
14:04
you know, it's the old house money
14:06
thing, you know, let's go see where
14:08
we're at and hopefully we beat these
14:10
SOBs. All right, enjoy the game, everybody,
14:12
go pack. No, I think that's true.
14:14
I mean, pending a blowout where we
14:16
lose just, you know, in massive fashion,
14:18
like I said before. If we say
14:21
the Lions are the best team and
14:23
the Packers are roughly the third, fourth,
14:25
fifth best team in football, am I
14:27
supposed to cry about that? Listen, you
14:29
don't get a trophy for being the
14:31
best team. You have to win through
14:33
the playoffs, which is a whole different
14:35
ball game. And a lot of times
14:38
the best team doesn't actually end up
14:40
winning the Super Bowl. So that's not
14:42
even really the question. Beyond that again,
14:44
out of ten times, the Lions are
14:46
not going to be the Lions ten
14:48
times. So this doesn't really tell us
14:50
all that much in terms of much
14:52
of anything. If it's a close win
14:55
by the Lions, okay, it's possible the
14:57
Packers could have beat him seven out
14:59
of ten times, this is one of
15:01
the three. We don't know. We have
15:03
no idea. It doesn't tell us very
15:05
much. So, you know,
15:07
if the Packers lose in a close
15:09
game, it's going to suck. I mean,
15:12
from a Packers fan standpoint and all
15:14
the Lions fans chirping and all the
15:16
national media overreacting and everything else, but
15:18
what does it mean? Not a ton.
15:20
But you're right, if the Lions lose,
15:22
everything shifts. Everybody is going to be
15:24
looking at the Packers as the new
15:26
powerhouse. Again, it's going to be an
15:28
overreaction for the exact same reasons, but
15:30
it doesn't matter. You're now not
15:32
invincible. You haven't lost since what, week two? You're an undefeated
15:35
streak, you're beating the crap out everybody. You have a close
15:37
game against the Bears where you almost lose, you're being decimated
15:39
by injuries to the point where everybody's starting to panic, you
15:41
have got a guy with a podcast that is now leaking
15:43
things that the coach is saying, you've got another guy taking
15:45
pictures of your whiteboard and leaking that, then you go on
15:47
and lose to the Green Bay Packers, packers in your own
15:50
house, everything starts to feel like it's falling apart. now
15:52
you got a what go
15:54
to Buffalo or does Buffalo go
15:56
to Detroit? I I don't know
15:58
I think you got to
16:00
go to Buffalo If you lose
16:02
now to Buffalo, you know,
16:04
it's It's a scary spot whereas
16:07
the Packers are kind of
16:09
on the ascent and I don't
16:11
know that that necessarily the
16:13
trajectory changes all that much in
16:15
a loss again unless it's
16:17
a blowout, but I
16:20
you know the Packers can still play good football
16:22
They can still do the things that we want them
16:24
to do and play clean football and just take
16:26
these baby steps Because that's what we're looking for You're
16:29
right about the Lions and that they're
16:31
kind of in that that situation where they've
16:33
achieved everything And the only thing left
16:35
to do is to maintain the dominance and
16:37
if you can't do that then then
16:40
you're just going backwards So,
16:42
you know, again, does this game
16:44
mean much probably not? but
16:47
Psychologically it does and especially so I
16:49
would say for the Detroit Lions, so
16:51
I think you're probably right about that
16:53
Why don't we take our first break?
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I have all these thoughts to bring things I want to
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many thoughts, but you, it's of the one that so thinking
19:55
about. But there's kind of the one been
19:58
thinking about like about it means. means.
20:00
is a Matlaflor offense? And I think in
20:02
a lot of ways it's just whatever offense
20:04
is out on the field right now. But
20:06
I'm thinking clear back to when he was
20:08
an offensive coordinator for the Titans and when
20:11
the Packers had hired him. And this was
20:13
coming off of like Derek Henry became the
20:15
running back he was being Matlafler's offense. And
20:17
he was using him really heavily and kind
20:19
of limiting what the quarterbacks the quarterbacks had
20:22
to do. And then when he came to
20:24
Green Bay, there's kind of a lot of
20:26
thought about, okay with Rogers who can do
20:28
everything. You're going to be asked to, I
20:30
guess, just do less? And I think the
20:33
answer is, yeah, I think we asked Rogers
20:35
to do less and it looked great. You
20:37
know, we simplified it and he looked fantastic
20:39
in the system where we didn't ask him
20:41
to do too many things. And I think
20:43
we saw Jordan Love come out in the
20:46
Eagles game and that was off of a
20:48
really good year, you know, really good back
20:50
half of a year with them. And maybe
20:52
we were already starting to ask him too
20:54
much. And then when Malique Willis Willis Willis
20:57
Willis came in, It was like, it almost
20:59
looked more like offensive coordinator to the floor
21:01
and the Titans, that kind of offense where
21:03
we say, okay, we're going to pick those
21:05
points where we want you to pass the
21:07
ball and we're not going to ask you
21:10
to do too much. And I kind of
21:12
wonder if that's what we realize with love
21:14
is that you know what, like he has
21:16
a lot of arm talent, but we're putting
21:18
him in positions where he has to do
21:21
more than what we should be asking him
21:23
to do. And I can't say for certain,
21:25
I haven't looked at all the stats, but
21:27
I mean, it seems to me like we
21:29
are, he's being asked to pass the ball
21:32
way less than he was the first half
21:34
of the season. And he's flourishing as a
21:36
result. And we're relying on a running game,
21:38
and luckily a running game is just playing
21:40
fantastic. But I don't know, just your thoughts
21:42
on all that. Well,
21:45
that is kind of the feel
21:47
of things. I kind of mentioned
21:49
that that's essentially how the Detroit
21:51
Lions operate right now. They're a
21:54
scary run blocking offensive line that
21:56
with two really talented running backs
21:58
that are paving the way. you
22:00
just have a mistake-free quarterback that's
22:02
distributing the ball intelligently and effectively
22:04
and accurately. And it's a winning
22:06
formula. And I think the Packers
22:08
can follow a similar formula. And
22:10
I think, you know, Jordan has
22:12
that capability to be that next
22:14
level quarterback that maybe golf doesn't
22:16
exactly have. But again, that's
22:18
secondary. That's very cool and it's what
22:20
can really elevate you and make you
22:23
a superpower football team and a superstar
22:25
quarterback and all that stuff. But right
22:27
now, yeah, let's just focus on being
22:29
the lion. Let's just focus on winning
22:31
up front, running the offense through the
22:34
run game for now, and then using
22:36
what we have, which is a talented
22:38
quarterback and talented tight end and talented
22:40
wide receivers. to be able to just
22:42
execute at will. I mean if you
22:45
can run the ball at will and
22:47
then you've got all this talent between
22:49
quarterback you know and running back and
22:51
wide receiver and all these guys I
22:53
can catch the ball there's nothing that
22:56
can stop your offense but yeah I
22:58
think that that's what we need to
23:00
do is to settle into that and
23:02
then see if we can build on
23:04
it and I think that's what we
23:07
saw a little bit in Miami. was
23:09
not only do we do that and
23:11
we executed it well but you started
23:13
to see Jordan get a little bit
23:15
more special as opposed to just efficient
23:18
it was a couple throws that were
23:20
like oh okay all right that's Jordan
23:22
I kind of remember right there but
23:24
yeah I think in this game I'm
23:26
much more concerned with run the ball
23:29
against this depleted front do it a
23:31
lot and then you
23:33
know pick your spots and just start
23:35
picking them apart through the air and
23:38
you know you kind of get that
23:40
one two combination it's just they they
23:42
cannot block it the blows keep coming
23:44
and they don't know where it's coming
23:47
from it's like you got six arms
23:49
man but just be smart be efficient
23:51
and you should be able to move
23:53
the ball without much much issue and
23:56
there's going to be tougher opponents no
23:58
doubt about it but I agree with
24:00
that general philosophy as we need to
24:03
be able to establish the run. We
24:05
gotta be at the physical football team.
24:07
And then you get the tight ends,
24:09
you get the two tight ends sets,
24:12
and you get the tight ends that
24:14
can catch Tucker Craft, who's a dual
24:16
threat in that way, and the wide
24:18
receivers that can block. And it's such
24:21
a cool thing, and they can do
24:23
some cool stuff, and they can really
24:25
be a good offense. And I think
24:27
they have been a good offense, but
24:30
they have not hardly scratched the surface
24:32
of what they can be. All right,
24:34
Ryan, it's Jersey Mike, so we're starting
24:36
to get to playoff time here. I
24:39
mean, it's December, we got like, what,
24:41
two months left? God, it's almost already
24:43
over. Sorry, sorry, sorry, the draft is
24:45
already almost here. I mean, the Super
24:48
Bowl, I mean, shit, do we even
24:50
make playoffs? Sorry, no, no, no, no.
24:52
This is what I want to talk
24:54
about. The key to winning on Thursday.
24:58
Now some people might say it's
25:00
going to be Jordan love getting
25:02
consistency. Some people might say it's
25:04
Josh Jacobs running the ball effectively
25:06
on the ground. Some people might
25:09
say it's the turnover differential and
25:11
the defense getting sacks and taking
25:13
the ball away. I'm going to
25:15
say it's a mixture of all
25:18
of it. We're going to lose.
25:20
But realistically, this this acronym I'm
25:22
going to make up right now.
25:24
C. C. All right? You want
25:26
to know where I'm going? You
25:29
have no idea. Anyway, it's sustained
25:31
chaos and carnage. I want to
25:33
see sustained chaos and carnage. All
25:35
right? I don't want the defense,
25:37
the, the, the, the, the, the,
25:40
the, four lines, sorry, different, these
25:42
four lines to be able to,
25:44
to, to, to even catch their
25:46
breath. I want to suck or
25:48
punch them right in the gut.
25:51
And then I'm thinking they're going
25:53
to put their hands up already
25:55
for the next and then we
25:57
kick him in the balls and
26:00
then when they think we're gonna
26:02
do something different we're gonna stab
26:04
him in the butt all right
26:06
and then when we're done stabbing
26:08
him in the butt we're gonna
26:11
poke their eyes out all right
26:13
I don't want them to know
26:15
what our next movie and what
26:17
I want what I want them
26:19
to do is to react to
26:22
what they think our next movie
26:24
and then hit him to the
26:26
ground you know what Hey,
26:29
hey, I'm gonna say this.
26:31
You look at me or
26:33
whatever way, I don't give
26:35
a crap right now. I
26:37
wanna see some people hurt
26:39
on that field. You're gonna
26:41
snap nobody's legs or crazy
26:43
hip-stop tackle so that actually
26:45
becomes like a real rule.
26:47
Like, let's keep it legitimate.
26:49
But like I want to
26:51
see people hurting bad. I
26:53
want to see just right
26:55
through the end of that
26:57
whistle, Quay, just laying out
26:59
Jamir Giffes and watching his
27:01
breath leave his body. That's
27:03
what we need. We need
27:05
somebody to go out there.
27:07
We need somebody to go
27:09
out there, shut the tone,
27:11
smack him in the mouth,
27:13
and never let him pour.
27:15
Both ends and defense. and
27:17
then never let up for
27:19
four freaking quarters. Don't let
27:21
up. Remember what these lions
27:23
have done to you. Remember
27:25
what this lions team has
27:27
done to every other team
27:29
in the league. Do not
27:31
for five. Part two, here
27:33
we go. I don't like
27:35
getting cut off. Anyway, there's
27:37
a mic again. I want
27:40
them so miserable, so upset,
27:42
so distraught. Because we went
27:44
out there with all the fury and
27:46
all the fire, the ways that they've
27:48
beaten up on teams. We watched what
27:50
they can do. We could easily become
27:52
the victims here. We could easily not
27:54
remember that the lions, it doesn't matter
27:56
who's playing. It doesn't matter who's starting.
27:58
led by a coach
28:00
quite quite frankly in
28:02
my opinion is dirty AF
28:05
and I would And I would
28:07
love to see somebody just, just
28:09
him him. you know the ball gets
28:11
you know, the run you know,
28:13
run out of bounds he he
28:15
happens to be in the in
28:17
you know, you know if Rashan you know,
28:20
know ushers Derek uh, Dan Campbell's lap I
28:22
have no problem with it, you
28:24
know? Jire and Kishan. Talk all talk all the
28:26
I mean, Talk it all, baby. I
28:28
mean, real. I not playing, let's be
28:30
real. I don't know who's playing.
28:32
Carrington Ballantyne, whoever it is, you
28:34
I want you to be so
28:36
inside their in the episode of in an
28:39
episode of Rick and Morty and they
28:41
don't know if they're in the hole or
28:43
not if if the lightsabers are going vertical.
28:46
I want them them to not
28:48
know a your robot. I want
28:50
them to be so afraid to
28:52
to think that they up give
28:54
up. So that's my to
28:56
success. success. Sustain, chaos,
28:58
and carnage. Go back,
29:01
go baby. Let's beat them
29:03
down on Thursday. See you
29:05
there. Well,
29:07
I think I'm allowed to agree with everything you
29:09
said, but you said, is funny how we we somewhat similar
29:11
analogies, and I think you're right, I you just
29:13
got to punch them over and over again. I... punch
29:15
them over was just over again. I was just
29:17
on a lion's. Well, it Packers slash but. Green
29:19
Bay Packers podcast, but. Look,
29:21
I mean, these are two teams that
29:23
are priding themselves on being the more
29:25
physical team, Detroit physical team, They take a
29:27
lot of pride in it. a The of have in it. The
29:30
Packers have shown physicality and I think both
29:32
teams are going to try to establish, going to
29:34
try are. the more physical team and
29:36
I think the Packers need to win that battle. the Packers
29:38
need think the that battle. I think the
29:40
Packers, I mentioned on podcast the biggest
29:42
mismatch in this game in this
29:45
game of the of the, you know, defense,
29:47
whatever. whatever, is Packers
29:49
offense, lines, defense. It just
29:51
is. I mean they've got a couple good
29:53
a but safeties, but they're
29:55
that they're struggling. it's not And it's not
29:57
just the injuries, mean, it's just. it's just, there's
30:00
a of talent there. And especially
30:02
when it comes to run defense,
30:04
like Zadarius is a good pass
30:06
rush for terrible run defender. Al
30:08
Caden Muhammad, who I believe is
30:11
gonna be their number two guy.
30:13
Pass rush numbers are fine. Run
30:15
defense, not great. Josh Paskell was
30:17
their guy who's more of a
30:19
run defender, kind of set in
30:22
the edge. He's out. Linebackers. They
30:24
got their main guy, but they've
30:26
lost, you know, Jaylin Reeves Mabin.
30:28
They lost Anzaloni. So you have
30:30
to assert yourself in this game.
30:33
You have to just embarrass them
30:35
on the ground. I mean, we
30:37
have faced tougher run defenses than
30:39
this. you just you absolutely
30:42
have to make an example of
30:44
this team you know and again
30:46
this is for pride this is
30:48
this is to show who is
30:50
the king of the north and
30:52
therefore maybe the best team in
30:54
the NFC maybe in the the
30:57
entire NFL I mean this obviously
30:59
can't be a Super Bowl bout
31:01
but this is clearly you know
31:03
an NFC championship level bout. And
31:05
if you can go in and
31:07
embarrass this team, even if the
31:09
score isn't necessarily a blowout, if
31:11
you can go in and just
31:14
assert yourself, especially your offense against
31:16
their defense, and just make it
31:18
look like this is not very
31:20
hard, that's going to do a
31:22
lot. It's going to do a
31:24
lot for just everybody's understanding of
31:26
what the Packers really are. Anyways,
31:28
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and oh, so cozy. I just wanted
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to call in because I'm doing way
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too early stuff just just trying to
34:51
like think about what we need you
34:53
know in the future like what could
34:56
really send us over the top and
34:58
you know what I thought about it
35:00
running back they look look don't get
35:03
it wrong Josh Jacobs is freaking amazing
35:05
but I tried to him like you
35:07
know we thought we're gonna have Marshall
35:10
avoid I thought he was gonna be
35:12
back by now you know I thought
35:14
but it looked like This season, we're
35:16
going to be without him, honestly, and
35:19
it's probably better off than we don't
35:21
try to play him, you know, it's
35:23
too late by now. We wanted to
35:26
have him available, all this crap going
35:28
on, you know, you can't, you can't
35:30
just, you can't just shove a guy
35:33
in late in the season and let,
35:35
you know, we trust you as a
35:37
rookie, you're going to come in and
35:40
be able to, man, I don't want
35:42
to put the ball in his hands.
35:44
And I'm appreciative of that. But I
35:46
was really again hoping for Marshall and
35:49
Lloyd to take a step because we
35:51
need somebody because remember for all of
35:53
like what? Seven minutes? We thought we
35:56
had Josh Jacobs and Aaron Jones and
35:58
for like all the five. we
36:01
thought we had easily no question if
36:03
the best running back in the room
36:05
where Josh Jacobs Aaron Jones and A.J.
36:07
Billin I mean A.J. I don't know
36:09
what the heck's going on with him
36:11
I got his jersey in my closet
36:13
I hope to God that that something
36:15
miraculous happens if this guy comes you
36:17
know like Marshall Lynch beef mode whatever
36:20
but anyway the reason I'm calling is
36:22
or Marian Hampton, uh, tall heels. We
36:24
gotta, we gotta go look at that
36:26
guy. We gotta pick him up. That's
36:28
my guy right now. I'm just standing
36:30
on it. That's my running back. I
36:32
like the way he runs for a
36:34
boy. He's in our ability to be
36:36
dressed in. So, yeah, anyway, go back,
36:39
go. Well I can't fault
36:41
you for having a guy in the
36:43
draft for sure and I haven't looked
36:45
at Amari and Hampton yet but we're
36:48
definitely not of the same mind right
36:50
now I mean unless Amari and Hampton
36:52
can be like some undrafted free agent
36:54
pickup or something he certainly is a
36:57
decent size I guess,
36:59
what is he, 6-1-2-20, something like
37:01
that? Maybe a little tall, but
37:03
you know, Gouda-Kuns, that 2-20, man,
37:05
he's a fan. If he was,
37:07
if he was like 5-11-220, be
37:09
even better. No, but I mean,
37:11
we have a really solid running
37:13
back group and I do hope
37:15
that Marcion Lloyd can be sort
37:17
of a Josh Jacobs-esque type player.
37:19
You know, that's that is the
37:21
hope. He's got a similar build,
37:24
similar run style with the low
37:26
center gravity being able to bring
37:28
some power, but also having some
37:30
shiftiness. Maybe not as big, but
37:32
59-2-10 is still a pretty big
37:34
dude, you know. 47 Miss Tackles
37:36
Force last year in college. Don't
37:38
get me going on this draft
37:40
stuff yet, all right? I know
37:42
that's, I know, I get it,
37:44
but it's not time. It's not
37:46
time until I get this freaking
37:48
website done. And then we can
37:50
talk the draft all you want.
37:52
You know, Ryan, it's your uncle.
37:54
What's up? Hey, I just wanted
37:56
to put in my two cents.
37:58
on the term game. I
38:01
Okay. I guess I think when
38:03
I think someone refers
38:05
to a quarterback as a game
38:07
manager. what comes to comes
38:09
to mind for me is
38:11
someone who does exactly what they're
38:14
told to do. told to do. They're
38:16
given to play they
38:18
run they run the play they
38:20
don't get outside of
38:22
the box. So,
38:25
and I guess I'm not not sure, you're
38:27
thinking know you're thinking your is
38:29
a is a little different or
38:31
your, what you call it, requirements
38:34
or whatever, for whatever to be
38:36
to be called game is a
38:38
little different a that That's just
38:40
what I think of it than.
38:42
game just what not someone who uses
38:44
manager is not just do what they're
38:46
told their brains. give it do play
38:48
they run the play They're Maybe
38:50
there's some run the play. Maybe there's some... flexibility
38:53
there but not much, know.
38:55
much you know they're not in the they're not out
38:57
there making there making these decisions
38:59
they can they can complete throws is
39:02
is irrelevant. it's they're only only they
39:04
can handle can handle and that's
39:06
what they handle. and And
39:08
if they get outside of
39:10
that box, box they're not a
39:12
game manager anymore. anymore
39:14
they're running show, so anyway that's
39:17
just what comes to mind
39:19
for me, mind for me so
39:21
this just as from RICO Rico out,
39:23
go back, go, going to lay the smackdown
39:25
on Thursday night football. It's to It's
39:27
gonna be awesome. Yeah, I
39:29
mean, it's a pretty broad term for sure.
39:31
I mean, it certainly could I
39:33
mean, it's a pretty - even for
39:35
sure. I think of I mean, it
39:37
certainly could range anywhere. mean, generally, even
39:39
for myself, so think of like a guy
39:41
that basically sucks, but you know. that's going to
39:43
so much that they're a huge liability
39:45
and gonna throw three to lose. you're gonna
39:47
lose, but other than that, they're completely useless.
39:50
useless. Um again, I know it
39:52
I know it carries massively
39:54
negative connotations, but... but I
39:56
I talked to the robot
39:58
to the robot who pulled it me. Wikipedia
40:00
here says a game manager refers to
40:03
a quarterback who prioritizes minimizing mistakes such
40:05
as interceptions and fumbles over making high-risk
40:07
high-reward plays so that's kind of the
40:09
way I was using it a little
40:12
bit not not even necessarily but maybe
40:14
what we got to do is come
40:16
up with a couple different terms, you
40:19
know, because you've got what you laid
40:21
out, which is probably the far end
40:23
of that spectrum, which is you have
40:26
no ability to do anything. Like, you're
40:28
not even making changes at the line.
40:30
You're not doing it. It's, it's, everything
40:32
is spelled out to you and you
40:35
do just that. Then you got kind
40:37
of the, I guess, other end of
40:39
the spectrum, which is, you know, I
40:42
guess a more literal sense of you're
40:44
literally managing the game. You're not doing
40:46
anything really outside of that. You're not
40:48
putting the team on your back. You're
40:51
not doing all this heroic stuff. You're
40:53
not doing anything crazy. But you are
40:55
managing which would include, you know, making
40:58
checks, making adjustments. You are like the
41:00
coach on the field. You're making all
41:02
the right calls and all the right
41:05
decisions at the right decisions at the
41:07
right time. but nothing more there are
41:09
no pet homesian things there's no no
41:11
look passes there's no you know deep
41:14
shots into double coverage you know right
41:16
between two defenders or any of that
41:18
kind of stuff it's just you're just
41:21
doing the job you know you're Joe
41:23
Flacko coming in and just you know
41:25
doing what you're supposed to do you
41:27
know how to do this you've been
41:30
doing this forever you're freaking PhD in
41:32
quarterbacking but i mean that's why i
41:34
over explained it every time because i
41:37
just don't know a better way to
41:39
phrase it I guess and I'm just
41:41
making sure everyone knows I'm not using
41:44
the negative connotation. Hey Pat Daddy, it's
41:46
Garrett from Illinois. It's hump day and
41:48
we are drawing closer and closer to
41:50
Thursday nights match up and I just
41:53
can't get this feeling out of my
41:55
head that I think this game means
41:57
more to Green Bay than it does.
42:00
I think there's a bitter
42:02
taste in our mouth from
42:05
losing it home in a
42:07
game that they really beat
42:09
themselves more than Detroit beat
42:11
them. They've got momentum on
42:13
their side, they've got two
42:16
very good quality wins the
42:18
last two weeks, and I
42:20
think they're just hitting their
42:22
stride and they're healthier. And
42:24
I just think those are
42:27
all things that will just
42:29
push. I think push the
42:31
odds in their favor just
42:33
enough that they win a
42:35
close game. And being that
42:38
it's indoors, I feel like
42:40
it just, it, they can't
42:42
not but help Jordan with
42:44
the passing game. It just
42:46
seems like his default, it
42:49
just not been quite on
42:51
this year. He's dismissed guys
42:53
a few times and of
42:55
course there's been some drops,
42:57
but It's just not
43:00
been quite as accurate on a
43:02
consistent basis like we would like
43:04
to see. So all in all,
43:07
I think, I think this is
43:09
a game that they do, they
43:11
do win. And I can't help
43:14
but not be confident in this
43:16
game. So guys that haven't been
43:19
playing very good and are starting
43:21
to play good. So it would
43:23
be fannesque, you know, guys that
43:26
have been. pretty consistently at the
43:28
bottom when it comes to PFS
43:31
scores are doing better. So I
43:33
just, I don't feel like you
43:35
can argue with all of those
43:38
points that, you know, Green Bay
43:40
should not be the team that
43:43
is favored in this game. So
43:45
we shall see they still got
43:47
a play ball, still got a
43:50
round the pig skin, so throwing
43:52
some prayers up. and
43:55
hoping for the best. And let's
43:57
just bring on Thursday night football.
44:01
Kind of an opposite perspective on who
44:03
this game is more important for, but
44:05
I think the biggest needle mover is
44:08
if the Packers win. If they don't,
44:10
everything kind of just stays the way.
44:12
I don't think the Packers move all
44:14
that much in their rankings. I don't
44:16
think the Lions do either. But it's
44:18
the biggest thing for both teams is
44:20
a Packers win. The Lions need to
44:22
prevent it and the Packers need to
44:24
make it happen. But yeah, everything is
44:26
trending in the right direction. The Packers
44:28
are, I don't want to say getting
44:30
healthier because that's not necessarily true, but
44:32
guys are playing better. Jordan's playing better.
44:34
Defensive pieces are playing better. Lions are,
44:36
they're holding it together, but they are,
44:38
you just feel like they're on the
44:40
verge of kind of cracking a little
44:43
bit. at the same time that their
44:45
team is falling apart as far as
44:47
injuries again you've got all the the
44:49
scandalous things that are going on around
44:51
and now they've got a a dirty
44:53
team label on top of the the
44:55
leaks and all the different stuff that's
44:57
going on and then you get a
44:59
near loss to the Chicago Bears basically
45:01
you should have when I shouldn't say
45:03
you should have lost but they would
45:05
have tied the game I guess if
45:07
they hit that feel goal but if
45:09
the Bears didn't just shoot themselves in
45:11
the face about seven plays in a
45:13
row that would have happened. Hey
45:16
Ryan, I remember Virginia, you keep talking about
45:18
how we're either getting the 5 or the
45:20
6th seed and then you talk about our
45:22
1% chance of getting the 1 seed and
45:24
I had called and talked about even, you
45:26
know, we beat the lions, we have a
45:29
pretty, I think we have a pretty decent
45:31
shot to still have a shot at winning
45:33
the division, I don't see us getting the
45:35
1 seed in any scenario, but... I also
45:37
don't see, like the lines of us and
45:39
they have the bills, like if we win
45:41
and then they lose the bills, we have
45:43
a very clear path to getting that one
45:45
seat. Now here I'm doing it. Not to
45:48
get in the one seat, but the way
45:50
in the division. So what is a, I
45:52
know I can look it up, but just
45:54
for show content and whatnot, what is our
45:56
odds? the division because if we win the
45:58
division in a two seat or whatever that's
46:00
still a way that is a difference compared
46:02
to five or six you know because they're
46:04
obviously we're getting home game so at least
46:07
one home game or two years at least
46:09
two home games really so I think that
46:11
is a big deal so anyway so anyway
46:13
that is a big deal so anyway that
46:15
was it I hope we stomp these lines
46:17
tomorrow night hopefully this call makes it in
46:19
go back go Yeah, and I have been
46:21
underselling the divisional thing. I mean, as far
46:23
as, you know, beating the Vikings or beating
46:26
the Lions, and really that's all there is
46:28
to play for. I shouldn't necessarily say it
46:30
that way, but, you know, the one seat
46:32
is so far out of reach. That's not
46:34
even necessarily true, but it's tough to get
46:36
that. and then being out of the playoff
46:38
so yeah i mean at this point it's
46:40
it's pride in the division so as of
46:42
right now there is a five percent chance
46:45
of winning the division that goes up to
46:47
fourteen percent if uh... excuse the crying if
46:49
uh... we beat the lions now next week
46:51
prime scenario bills win packers win we jump
46:53
up to only twenty seven percent so it's
46:55
still a long road at that point If
46:57
we assume the Packers win out, from this
46:59
point on, we have a 65% chance, but
47:02
some stuff's got to happen here. Essentially, we
47:04
need the Lions to lose one more game.
47:06
So, it means very similar to the one
47:08
C, to be honest. The Packers win out.
47:10
Lions obviously lose this week and lose to
47:12
the bills. They have to lose one more.
47:14
If they lose to the bears, which I
47:16
don't think they will, they might, if they
47:18
lose to the 49ers, which is very unlikely,
47:21
the more likely one would be the Vikings.
47:23
If that were to happen, the Green Bay
47:25
Packers would have a 100% chance of winning
47:27
the division. And for those of you wondering,
47:29
well, what about the Vikings? As I said,
47:31
if the Packers went out, Vikings are already
47:33
done. to to beat the Vikings again
47:35
in in order to
47:37
win out, and if
47:40
we do, even if the Vikings
47:42
if the Vikings win
47:44
all the rest of
47:46
their games that Packer game,
47:48
Packers will be ahead
47:50
of them, which is
47:52
part of the reason
47:54
why I've been saying
47:56
the Vikings are somewhat
47:59
irrelevant. are They're not really.
48:01
mean, you still have
48:03
to beat them. They're
48:05
relevant in that regard,
48:07
but it is entirely
48:09
in the Packers' hands.
48:11
it is Lions are very
48:13
different. They would have
48:15
to lose two additional
48:18
games outside of Green
48:20
Bay. They're likely to
48:22
win of or lose
48:24
at least likely to win it or
48:26
lose at least one. but
48:28
you you know, outside of that,
48:31
we would have to see see if all
48:33
all those things did happen. still only
48:35
still only have a 39 of
48:37
chance of winning the number getting the
48:39
number one seed. have We would have
48:41
to get some help. do think I
48:44
do think it's, a good a good
48:46
chance the commanders could win. could win
48:48
Outside of that though, of that, would probably beat the
48:50
Giants, beat the probably beat the Giants,
48:52
beat the Cowboys. beat We would need,
48:54
it would have to be the going to beat
48:57
the Panthers. It would have to
48:59
be the Steelers, so, again,
49:01
both teams really, you'd have to have
49:03
lose multiple games. I think we need the
49:05
Eagles to lose two games, and the
49:07
Lions to lose two games of of the the
49:09
to the Packers. get you get the Lions
49:11
to do it, you win the division.
49:13
If you get both teams to do it,
49:15
the Packers could get the number one
49:17
seed, and this all assumes the Packers win
49:20
out. one seed. lot of this is the reach,
49:22
but, you know, we'll start one game
49:24
at a time. the Packers win, But we'll is
49:26
a strong start in that direction. win, that is
49:28
But anyways, that's it for the calls.
49:30
I appreciate you guys. anyways, that's I will talk
49:32
to you. I don't know if I'm
49:34
going to, I probably won't do a pack
49:36
night after dark tomorrow night because it's
49:38
already going to be so late, so guys.
49:40
be a couple days, but I will talk
49:42
to you soon. Have a good one.
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