In this episode, Lulu, Gill and Kelsey continue the conversation from episode 7 on racism and specifically how our field has, and continues to, contribute to racism and "race science." At what point do we throw out the whole discipline and start from scratch?

Listen to these three struggle to get their thoughts out, and ultimately conclude that listeners should listen to more knowledgeable BIPOC who have done tons of research on the subject, including Leith Mullings and Jeannette Armstrong (seriously, go listen to them!).

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