(SPOILERS) Susie joins me to talk about how she first got involved with the franchise on “Road Rules,” her podcast last year that “broke” the Brad & Tori divorce (14:22), we discuss the Bananas/Sarah ending on Rivals 3 & she reveals new information that maybe not everyone knows about (16:40), her overall thoughts on Bananas (23:21), the Champs vs Stars franchise (30:18), meeting her husband through the show (38:15), the article she wrote two weeks ago about the reality TV world and how she feels production is doing contestants a disservice (43:01), male vs female villains on reality TV (1:06:20), and we end with the Final 10 (1:08:47).

Music written by Jimmer Podrasky (B'Jingo Songs/Machia Music/Bug Music BMI